Will be brushed away as fake news and evil media trying to take away freedom and introduce communism.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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@Heardy, eBay has them in the UK, I've just checked. Search for "Face Mouth Nose protection" rather than masks. There's someone selling 10 masks for £12.99.
Thanks. BBC links to eurostat which is a better source, so I will stop using statista. The 85% thing still doesn't make sense as others pointed. If it read 200.000 it would be close. Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmö already amounts more than 15% and there are several other 100.000+ cities @Pogue Mahone seems like I was wrong.
What's the crack with masks? Is there any information that's actually good about which ones work now?
Order is for 400 thousand gowns.
NHS is currently using approximately 150 thousands gowns a day. There is an article in the independent which quotes from a leaked email from the Independant from a military liaison officer sent to NHS saying a "sustainable" level of gown provision won't be possible till mid-June.
Disgusted doesn't even cover it.
BBC
"A further 429 people have died with coronavirus in hospitals in England, latest figures show.
NHS England said that 348 of these deaths were reported over the weekend, while the others took place at earlier dates.
The new figures take the total number of confirmed deaths in hospitals in England to 14,829.
In Wales, a further nine deaths have been announced, taking the total number of hospital deaths reported by Public Health Wales to 584."
Indicating another low number for UK later on today but of course it's weekend. Hopefully Tue/Wed is similar or lower.
"A further 429 people have died with coronavirus in hospitals in England, latest figures show.
NHS England said that 348 of these deaths were reported over the weekend, while the others took place at earlier dates.
The new figures take the total number of confirmed deaths in hospitals in England to 14,829.
In Wales, a further nine deaths have been announced, taking the total number of hospital deaths reported by Public Health Wales to 584."
Indicating another low number for UK later on today but of course it's weekend. Hopefully Tue/Wed is similar or lower.
The information was always clear from the beginning:
-Surgical masks collect droplets when the user breaths out.
-Respirators, called face masks, (FFP2 and FFP3 standard in UK and N95 standard in USA) collects particles/droplets when the user breaths out and also prevents the user breathing in a % of the particles/droplets. The tests are done for nanometer sized particles.
A doctor/nurse/carer etc will want to use the respirators because they are constantly exposed to people who are breathing/coughing out droplets and some of these droplets are small enough that they remain suspended in the air for some time, provided they don't evapourate quickly.
A member of the public can use a surgical masks to prevent infecting others, if they are already infected but not showing symptoms. They may also want respirators if they are concerned of breathing in droplets which for whatever reason are suspended in the air outdoors. But it is less likely because the droplets are likely to disperse and evapourate more quickly because of air motion.
Yeah, so we're probably looking at -500 today, a drop from yesterday. As you said though, it's a trend for that to be the case on Monday. It'll be very encouraging if we see numbers less than 700 over the next few days, but who knows. I'd imagine it'll climb towards Friday.
Last Friday was around 100 lower than the Friday before. So a similar drop this week, or more, would be good.
Yes. Surgical masks are useful if you have the virus, but quite useless if you don't.
Respirators are good for both, however with the measures in place now the public don't really need them. Health workers do, and there is such a shortage many authorities are asking people not to buy them for that reason.
I corrected it. I’d left the end off. Wasn’t trying to suggest Sweden lived in small tribes.
It'll be interesting when things open up because staff and business owners dealing with the public will want reasonable protections and it seems courteous to me that we should all wear one where possible for their sake.
Too much of the mask debate is "will it protect me".
I noticed the edit, still I don't understand it. Maybe it is my fault.
It is now law that everybody going outdoors in Italy must wear a surgical mask or some kind of face covering. Supply has caught up with demand finally.
Is that with or without social distancing in place?
Yeah, they love running around screaming "I ain't gone live in fear"
No, no you're not. You're going to die in it.
With. It's in addition to the near total lockdown we have here.
In Bavaria from Monday on it is mandatory to wear masks in shops, trains, busses etc.
Where are you from again?
I live in Italy/Switzerland. I am from the UK.
Whats the situation in Switzerland, then? I've heard from a friend there that lockdown is more of a strong suggestion than a demand, but maybe I'm wrong? Also, how are you managing to get between the two countries? Are the borders open for travel?
I'd like to think whilst we've been 'evaluating the evidence' in the UK that we've got manufacturers producing basic masks to distribute at the right time to the public.
Policy based on short supply of surgical masks would be some next level incompetence.
Policy based on short supply of surgical masks would be some next level incompetence.
Is there any country in the world where the sale is alcohol is forbidden? Or am I cursed by living in the only one?! 
I'm not able to go into Switzerland at the moment so I'm stuck in Italy. The border is closed to all except essential cross border workers.
I speak to friends there every day though, it is a lot more relaxed. You are able to go up into the mountains if you want and nobody is stopping you going out even though there is nowhere to go. It sounds similar to what the UK has.
Now is not the time to start throwing insults at our noisy neighbours mate .
It is, in India.Is there any country in the world where the sale is alcohol is forbidden? Or am I cursed by living in the only one?!
War criminal won't criticise current government response to COVID19. Shocking.
That's true but there were a whole lot of what would now be described as Health & Safety 'do's and don'ts', that came into play e.g. widen streets, put in proper drains, wash hands before touching food, or don't pour urine etc. into the street, don't build dwelling spaces too close together, use sanitized water storage, etc. etc. Lessons have to be learned, if not completely then partially, for example we need to have back up capability (in this country) to manufacture PPE for hospitals a switch over from some other product line, we cannot rely on the 'sweat shops' around the world producing this kind of equipment.
I can imagine dance floors being marked out like a grid and you have to as it were... "sooner or later you stay in your space' ( apologies to Billy Joel!) all sorts of other space splitting ideas in pubs, clubs, and restaurants, each table has its own mini-screen to allow fans to watch football/sport etc. in private parties... be like having your own box at OT!!
Now is the time for the entrepreneurs to get their thinking caps on and investors to look for the SMART angle... quite exciting really!
The craze to re-open business is spreading across middle America. First Michigan and Ohio, now Colorado. This first photo is almost iconic:
Yeah my friend is leading a relatively normal life at the moment. Works night shifts, goes hiking to quiet/remote places on the weekend.
And here in the wild we have a bunch of morons.
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Bloody ridiculous.
There's not only an alcohol-ban in South Africa, but also a ban on selling electronics. My earphones bit the dust and now I can't escape.
Only essentials (food and dairy) are allowed in India. I broke my TV a couple of days before the entire nation was shut off and here I am stuck in my house for months without a television and no booze. I wish I had just broken earphones to worry about.
Television is rubbish. Losing internet would be much worse.
449 increase in hospital deaths in 24 hours, which I believe is the lowest increase in about two weeks (even when you account for weekend lag).
That's the thing about life, no matter how bad things may seem, they can always get worse. (I realize that complaining about a broken TV sounds insensitive in this thread).
I feel your pain brother! No booze. It must be only India and South Africa. I can't understand the reasoning behind this BS decision.
Was living in Switzerland for a year, got back to the UK in April (about 2 weeks ago). Situation is pretty calm, you can still go out (i.e. to the park) but you have to socially distance of course and be with less than 5 people. Supermarkets are full, they are limiting the number of people allowed in pharmacies. Borders are still open as far as I am aware since I was able to come back to the UK.
I know that. Just that the 3M ones are the best imo. Might as well wear nothing as wear a cloth one.
Looks like we're well past the peak now, which has been successfully flattened. We'll be back at work soon.