If Boris's "handshaking" Coronavirus patients is true, he's probably been loaded with the viral load alot more than those that just have had mild symptoms.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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All the best
did it say which hospital?
Breaking news that Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital with his symptoms on the advice of his doctor.
Thanks.
Do you not understand how stupid people are? I’m commenting on this post and all your others.
You make the rules for the stupid to follow. You can’t trust people. They will do stupid things.
Stop banging a drum nobody wants to listen to.
Of course no country needs a lockdown if all humans remain 2m+ apart, don’t touch anything, never touch their face, and wash their hands routinely.
That’s an impossible ask and it will never happen.
Start living in reality. Please.
BoJo admitted to hospital
bbc breaking news
bbc breaking news
I don't see anything good coming from something bad happening to BoJo.
I'd like him to go away but not in the middle of a crisis and certainly not in hearse.
I'd like him to go away but not in the middle of a crisis and certainly not in hearse.
If he's gone to hospital it's got to be pretty fecking serious. I wonder if it's a special hospital, some private place. You can be sure he wasn't taken down the road to st. Thomas's.
I would imagine this is precautionary. He should have been recovering by now, and he isn't - probably exacerbated by the fact he hasn't stopped working. He obviously needs more intervention than just self-isolating.
Some of the bigger hospitals also have private floors.
From the early reports I've read, he's only been admitted because he's still displaying symptoms after 10 days and has gone in for 'precautionary testing'.
We haven't heard from Whitty at all since he isolated, have we?
Don’t think so but as not really a public figure per se, I’m not surprised either.
If a 95 year old would go into cardiac arrest from hypoxemia (which would be the likely cause of death if related to Covid 19), I can assure you that even if they were able to resuscitate him, his life post-CA would not be 'good and interesting' due to the brain damage suffered. Most likely, he would be in a vegetative state if ever discharged from hospital. Short periods of hypoxia in an already vulnerable brain can cause massive damage.
There’s also a massive gap in the data as it doesn’t plot by time. People have time shifted.
I go to the park every day. It’s about 30 steps from my house. I go at 6:45 and don’t see a soul. I use the grass and not paths. I run hills and walk some sections.
The park used to be busy before 8am, at lunchtime and after 6pm. It’s comparatively empty. People don’t go in employment linked blocks of time. It’s spread across the whole day.
People are focusing on the wrong things.
I don’t like his politics but good luck to him. May he get well soon
Doesn't quality of life after a C/A depend on certain factors, including how quickly he is resuscitated?
He was on the news every night. The face of the govt. response.
Agreed. He didn't look well at all when he's been seen recently. Let's hope it's not serious.
An observation rather than speculation: there’s absolutely no way we would be told how serious it was at this moment in time. Everything will be just fine and nothing to worry about and just precaution, until it’s not.
Yes but the deputy CMO can relay those messages. What I mean is, he doesn’t have a fan base and is not democratically voted for, so he has no duty to keep joe public updated on his health.
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Yes somewhat agree, downing street are playing it down as for "routine bloods" but I would have thought that that they could be done in the community. Who knows.
My thoughts exactly. I thought he had been fairly quiet media wise in the last couple of days. I suspect he’s ended up with the serious form of the virus.
They aren't going to tell us the truth until it's either safe or he's critical.
It's a bit odd that Trump hasn't done his usual 'My great friend the UK Prime Minister' stuff recently, especially as Johnson's been ill. Wonder if there's been a disagreement between them?
Why do you think other country's leaders have drawn comparison between this pandemic and WW2?
The people making the decisions will not be taking those decisions based on Twitter clips. They have access to real data in the form of widespread surveillance, road usage, park closures, etc. If they are seeing significant spikes at the weekend then their comprehensive data will be slightly more impactful than your anecdotal data.
Yes, I'm aware that there are risks, I'm a retired nurse. However, if a patient is directly asked about DNA orders, and he's in his right mind and has a good quality of life, I find it completely wrong that the doctor can then say "we're going to say DNA anyway". I know there is a legal requirement to ask, but if you give it as an option and then simply send a letter after the fact saying you're going to ignore the patient's wishes, there was no point asking in the first place.
When I was working in clinical areas, a lot of older people were written off simply because they were old. As I said to Steve, I know things have changed from that terrible state of affairs, but I've seen enough to be cautious.
Cummings uncle has also died from CV
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He threw Boris and his response to the crisis under a bus the other day to try and deflect criticism from himself, can't imagine they're on particularly cordial terms at the moment
One of my current concerns is that I am currently far, far more unfit than I was a month ago. My regular sources of exercise have been taken away, and whilst I have been trying to compensate - going for a jog or a walk every day and spending a bit of time on my rowing machine (turned out to be a shrewd purchase a few months ago!) doesnt compare to what I normally do and enjoy.
Basically, and without expecting a real answer, it would be interesting to see the correlation (if any) between general fitness levels, and COVID severity. A month ago, it wouldnt have surprised me if I had already caught it and just not noticed, whereas now I feel like it would be a much bigger deal. Now, I am still young enough that I wouldnt consider myself as "vulnerable", but on a mass scale I wonder if taking away everyone's regular sources of exercise counteracts some of the benefits of the lockdown/social distancing.
Basically, and without expecting a real answer, it would be interesting to see the correlation (if any) between general fitness levels, and COVID severity. A month ago, it wouldnt have surprised me if I had already caught it and just not noticed, whereas now I feel like it would be a much bigger deal. Now, I am still young enough that I wouldnt consider myself as "vulnerable", but on a mass scale I wonder if taking away everyone's regular sources of exercise counteracts some of the benefits of the lockdown/social distancing.
Because she is the queen of our fecking country and she’s giving us a gee up.
Christ some people are fecking miserable.
Raab in charge during a crisis... Great stuff.
Edit: Just seen he's only chairing meetings, Boris remains in charge even though he's in a hospital.
Edit: Just seen he's only chairing meetings, Boris remains in charge even though he's in a hospital.
In Sweden, the decision to attempt resuscitation or not lies completely with the medically trained people treating the patient. The patient, or their closest relatives, must be informed but agreement with the decision is not necessary. Also, there's a difference between there 'being risks' and there being a near certainty for a very low quality of life after a resuscitation attempt, which would be the case here.
Essentially, the fact that he was asked his opinion on resuscitation doesn't necessarily mean that he actually had a say in the matter. It was more likely asked to gauge whether they would have to explain to the man why they would be going against his wishes or if they were in agreement with regards to the decision that was actually made.
I do think that the way the tweet put it (asked to sign a DNR) comes across as very harsh though.
Obviously, this is based on the legal framework being similar to Sweden's.
Boris is obese but I’d be surprised if he pegged it.
This.
If you get a gee up from that old bag I’d say you have issues.