It's the whole Hubei province that was locked down. It's not a small area. It's not just a city. Wuhan was first city but it eventually caused the whole province to be in lockdown.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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It's the whole Hubei province that was locked down. It's not a small area. It's not just a city. Wuhan was first city but it eventually caused the whole province to be in lockdown.
Does this really surprise?
More obese like everywhere else. For me all the artifical food processing in the US is for me very suspicious, too.
The most concerning thing about this pandemic is how readily people will embrace authoritarianism.
As long as they feel good about themselves.
As long as they feel good about themselves.
Care to show me a link to article if you remember? Would like to take a look at it.
The coronavirus has been a far deadlier threat in New Orleans than the rest of the United States, with a per-capita death rate much higher than in New York City. Doctors, public health officials and available data say the Big Easy’s high levels of obesity and related ailments may be part of the problem.
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/health...th-rate-7-times-new-yorks-obesity-is-a-factor
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/health...th-rate-7-times-new-yorks-obesity-is-a-factor
You will risk defiance and revolt in some countries if such policies are implemented. People in the NE US are already chafing... You see more people saying "feck it" and going back to their normal routine.
Not sure about that link...? The article I posted a while back on the same subject was worded almost exactly the same, but with different ratios. That headline says a death rate 7 times that of NY, while everywhere else it says 2-3.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...e-new-yorks-obesity-is-a-factor-idUSKBN21K1B0
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Forget china. Look at south korea, japan, singapore. Good government can mitigate the outbreak.
It's not wizardry. Their government instruct, citizen follow, results shows.
Nobody has the magic formula, it's just a collection of small things done right.
Ps: there are reporters all over wuhan, satelite imagery, live tictoc, correspondence from tourist and expats from wuhan, those lockdowns are real. There are various embassy as well. You'd think if the situation is somehow much worse than reported there would be more news from all over the world not only from usa and uk. US has been itching to blame China, it wont be hard for cia to use their satelite and get a hard proof of mass grave of millions bodies lying around. Seriously, what do you think happened in China? Do you honestly think millions died and they open the city today and the rest of the province acts like nothing happened?
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Actually the gold standard is Taiwan based on results through the Singapore gov't has been generous with giving out masks for free.
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Seriously, wtf? This isn't about 'embracing authoritarianism' , it's about staying alive.
China have a strict communist regime and the World's biggest military though Foxy, so that's nothing for them. The logistics elsewhere will always be extremely hard to enforce, I'd argue impossible.
The point anyway is that people shouldn't get too worked up about people being outside as outdoor activities do not seem to be a huge problem when tight large gatherings are severely reduced. Unless of course I'm missing some extremely important evidence here?
You should google translate this one @Prometheus: https://www.aftonbladet.se/debatt/a/6jRPz0/kd-visa-solidaritet-med-drabbade-i-jarva
Another article criticising the Swedish response to the Järva area in Stockholm. You got this completely wrong here when you suggested I was "blaming" the immigrant population when it was the exact opposite. Sweden have done nowhere near enough to protect this area.
Important part of the article:
So Sweden have advised people to isolate the elderly, but those who live with elderly and have zero chance to work from home have been given zero solutions on how to do that. It's horrific in all honesty. Using Ebba's "trust in society fails" in that area excuse is utter bollocks, how can you isolate Grandma if you live with her?
So not locking down society and at the same time not offering a solution to those who live in with elderly parents and grandparents is a modern day equivalent of throwing them to the wolves. I really like the idea of using our empty hotels etc.
Another article criticising the Swedish response to the Järva area in Stockholm. You got this completely wrong here when you suggested I was "blaming" the immigrant population when it was the exact opposite. Sweden have done nowhere near enough to protect this area.
Important part of the article:
So Sweden have advised people to isolate the elderly, but those who live with elderly and have zero chance to work from home have been given zero solutions on how to do that. It's horrific in all honesty. Using Ebba's "trust in society fails" in that area excuse is utter bollocks, how can you isolate Grandma if you live with her?
So not locking down society and at the same time not offering a solution to those who live in with elderly parents and grandparents is a modern day equivalent of throwing them to the wolves. I really like the idea of using our empty hotels etc.
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i live near New Orleans, wanna know the reason? Mardi Gras, it was jam packed.
Development of the Corona deaths per 100.000 inhabitants since January in various European countries:
Just shows you that Italy stood no chance really. They were the warning for the rest of us. Spain too looking at that.
This number describes the number of people, on average, who will catch a disease from a single infected person. If that number can be brought down to below 1.0, this signals that an epidemic will decline.
You can read more about the factors used to calculate this number in the link below. The R0 is not just the Virus itself but also how we deal with it, that means the number lowers when we put restrictions in society and contact between people lessens, for example.
https://www.healthline.com/health/r-nought-reproduction-number
Which makes sense, but how long does it have to be below 1.0 to as they say "disappear".
Agreed. It's terrifying how enthusiastically people are giving up their freedoms for a little safety.
In my hometown, in Russia, a woman killed her partner by stabbing him through the heart whilst they were self isolating. He died instantly. Needless to say, there was copious amount of vodka involved. I'm kind of desensitised when it happens in Russia as opposed to UK.
If domestic violence wasn't bad enough in the motherland already...
If domestic violence wasn't bad enough in the motherland already...
Ok, let me preface this by saying that JRM is a cnut.
But the article talks about how the investment group plans to acquire businesses who’s valuation has dropped, but will bounce back. Isn’t that a pretty standard investment tactic?
It also goes on to say they’ll be investing in hospitals in Brazil and mask technology. Companies that probably need a cash injection right now.
Seriously misleading title imho
Madness isn't it.
In fact, this is the right time for a worldwide people's movement! Let's all occupy the streets!
I wonder what percentage of deaths reported as being due to Corona virus are in fact deaths that would have happened anyway, but which Corona has "merely sped up".
More terrifying how many people are being brainwashed into believing lockdown "for aslong as it takes" is the only way.
Now don't get me wrong I actually agree that the lockdown is the right thing currently to ease the spread and the pressure on the NHS but it's not viable for any longer than six weeks and even that's pushing it. We will come back out to a third world country if some people get their way.
You do realise lockdown isn’t just to ease the pressure on NHS it’s also about saving lives right?
Over a long term, all of them.
100%
Prof Neil Ferguson, the lead modeller at Imperial College London, has suggested it could be up to two-thirds. Problem is, those 2/3's would be spread out over 365 days rather than in a month or two.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51979654
Well played.
I totally agree that any death is a tragedy and we should do our utmost to preserve life. This is also not about wanting to go back to the pub or go to the cinema. I could quite easily shelve all those unimportant things.
This is about having a life to lead after this (which in turn will save thousands of lives in itself due to significantly more people being able to feed their kids) 60% of business will fail if this goes on longer than short term. Do you even consider what world that would leave us with?
I have 2 neices who will miss out on a significant part of their education. Do you understand the implications of this further down the line?
Does anyone really understand the mental health aspect?
It's all very well talking about funding an NHS, but if no one can pay tax then who is going to fund it? Another country who has the same problem?
People seem to think that without lockdown until there is a vaccine that this disease is going to kill millions,l. It's simply not true and never has been. Yes, you get isolated sad cases and I feel the greatest sympathy
At some point caution becomes counter productive and won't only fail to protect the NHS and save lives, but do the total opposite.
And so what in effect is happening, is that, and this is obviously a very cold way of looking at things, but what's happening is that the economy is potentially being destroyed to prolong the lives of a few by months.
nearly 90% of deaths are over +65 I believe, so most likely they would only live on average 10-15 years more depending on the country. But I don't think that question is fair or we would never fight for any +65 as it would "merely slow down" their deaths every time that they would receive any health treatment.
No.
The death rate goes up and lots of people who normally wouldn't die this year will due to not being able to receive the correct treatment. This includes plenty of people between 40-60. All this social distancing is about allowing the health services time to give everyone the chance they deserve.
I do agree on lockdown though, as much as I'm hated in here for it. As far as I'm aware Denmark and Germany have flattened the curve without telling people to stay inside their homes.
They might live 10-15 years longer if they were completely healthy before the caught the virus. If they weren't, then Corona or Flu or frankly in some cases, perhaps even a really bad cold would have potentially had the same outcome.
Yep, appreciate that, but I have seen daily death counts in the last 3 years for NL in the month of March and so far there's no difference. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next two weeks and how the numbers are then.
This is exactly what I am afraid of. More so than I am of the virus itself, for myself or my elderly parents.
As I say, if you avoid Italy and Spain situations, however you manage it then your are saving as many lives as possible. That’s surely the only important thing here.
What I find disturbing is the amount of people delighted for Derbyshire police trying to drone shame people for being out in the Peak District or getting angry about seeing people outside. It appears to be losing sight of what we are trying to achieve here.
Germany closed down non essential businesses, told people to stay at home and forbade gatherings of more than two people. Basically at the same time most other European countries did it.
They told people to stay at home? That wasn’t in the article I linked earlier. Fair enough
We're staying at home as well, only essential movement is allowed. Schools, Pubs, Shops are closed, same as everywhere else.
I agree that we can't be in lockdown for more than 4-6 weeks. Destroying the economy is at one point just too big a price. I expect that the discussion about tracking and isolating people similar to what South Korea and China did will get louder and louder. It's already there to some degree, but for now there's too much resistance to allow that kind of invasion into private and medical data. Sadly I believe it'll change once the damage for the economy becomes too big. I'm much more scared of that development than of the virus itself.