But it is the damned experts that the government is following in respect of the virus. As per usual like experts in all fields there are as many views as there are experts.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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But it is the damned experts that the government is following in respect of the virus. As per usual like experts in all fields there are as many views as there are experts.
I always find it interesting that huawei is the one they get all worked up about, while this government pay china to build two nuclear reactors on our soil.
Once again, absolutely.
I’m simply giving out the reasons and information given to us about why we haven’t locked down.
I also think it’s inevitable that countries are kicking the can down the road and it’s inescapable that a lot of people are going to die after these lockdowns
Pogue’s probably correct that it’ll be lockdown, open, lockdown, open for the foreseeable future & countries are always going to be “guessing” when is right to lockdown/open up again.
That's going to be absolutely insane. In certain countries there are elections supposed to happen soon, everything will be used for political fight for dominance and it will be utter chaos.
Unless we get a world-wide consensus very soon, the global system is in big danger of a major collapse, leading to all sorts of relationships, unions, alliances and pacts being broken. It's incredibly important that the main leaders of the biggest countries realise how dependent the rest of the world is to them and their economies. I have no idea why the UN hasn't been involved already, it's egotism and selfishness of the highest order to not look at the bigger picture.
The BBC News app story on that statement just reported his words without comment. Pathetic lack of integrity from them as ever.
No, you just ignore the scum, you won't find much socialization between actual liberals and the far right. Actual liberals have been marginalized in the democratic party, that under Obama was right of Ronald Reagan most of the time. Many are waiting for someone influential to finally start a new party.
Not saying its true or false, but since both countries are locked in a blame war, this is the equivalent of an Ed Woodward media briefing.
The Imperial College of London paper said we can take one month off lockdown without causing cases to rise above ICU and ventilator capacity if we follow it with 2 months on lockdown.
212 new cases and 14 deaths in Ireland.
Total: 3447 cases and 85 deaths.
Total: 3447 cases and 85 deaths.
Why stop now.
Most politicians are highly trained serial liars.
And those at the top are the biggest liars of them all.
Slightly interesting thing from the Irish figures is that while 25% of confirmed cases are health workers, only 6% of those cases are as a result of transmission in a hospital. In other words a higher level of community transmission is driving those numbers rather than in-hospital or patient-to-carer transmission, for whatever reason.
One off, two on? Sounds fexking grim.
For a year? How is that even achievable?
About half the population could work from home anyway.
Nursing homes seem to be riddled with it here.
Of which countries? And what about the other half?
Yeah, I was asking for a research paper that came from China. What is wrong with that?
Ditto Team Trump and Team Modi.
However, seems like China, Russia, Germany have the right leader in place.
It is because the health workers are way more likely to get tested.
I am starting to wonder how far away we are from herd immunity, the actual numbers of infections would make our jaws drop.
Aye that seems to be their main concern atm, they're bringing in specific measures and financial support for that sector apparently.
Shows the value of testing, I guess. Let's you see where cases are building and react.
Not necessarily. SARS came from wet markets, where there is the perfect opportunity for it to happen. MERS came from camels, but people there (Beduins) spend a lot of time with camels, so they might eventually get infected from a camel if it is infected. People don't spend too much time with pangolins, or snakes, so I think that it is quite unlikely that in the wild, a bat somehow infects a pangolin, then some human finds the same pangolin. I mean, it is possible, but it is unlikely. On the other hand, if the bat is in the wet market near the pangolin, then the chances of infection happen are higher, and of course, the pangolin is going to have contacts with people (that is why it is there in the first place).
Bear in mind, that the virus jumping from one species to another is not straightforward, and jumping in two species is even harder. There probably need to be many infections, for one of them to succeed making 2 successful jumps.
Boris looks like yer da using Skype for the first time
US had more deaths than any other country yesterday. This is gonna be very ugly, especially for states like Florida who have many infections but no lockdowns.
California and Washington are doing quite better on the other hand.
California and Washington are doing quite better on the other hand.
California's huge size and lack of public transport (well LA specifically) probably helps. The New York subway must've been one of the reasons its so bad in the NYC.
There is a religion thread for daftness. I don't want a back and forth about it in here please.
There is no scientific concensus that Bats or Pangolins were involved.
Suspicions. No facts.
SF, Bay Area and LA do have subway systems that move a lot of people. There are also trams and buses in SF. I think buses also move lots of folk in LA.
Strange thing is that in Bay Area, the northern Bay (San Francisco etc) is doing better than South Bay (Santa Clara county), despite that San Francisco has a more advanced public transport system.
The lack of public transport is a blessing when it comes to this disease. It is very likely that NYC's subway is the main reason why NY is having so many infected people.
Texas is the one I think stands out in this regard. The number of cases is not really in proportion to population.
I thought Houston with an intercontinental airport and one of the busiest ports would be much worse.
The UN has always been a pointless entity.
Does Bay Area have a subway? There is the Caltrain, but that's it. That makes me wonder why Santa Clara county is doing worse than San Francisco county (who has a subway).
Indeed.
Of course it's unlikely, that's why it doesn't happen often even though bats carying these type of viruses are common. And your theory doesn't actually work for a simple reason, the virus needs to evolve within the intermediary species in order to be able to infect humans, so the wet market theory is a none starter. Bats can infect people directly with other viruses, like certain filoviruses and rabies though. In the case of SARS Cov1 as I said earlier the intermediary species is the Asian palm Civet, in the case of MERS it's the the dromedary, it's not one isolated animal that is infected but probably a large group within a region, people catch a member of that group, sell them on a market and it's starts an epidemy.
INSERM sources are in french so it would be pointless to share them but here you have an example:
I can't get enough of this anti-China propaganda.
fecking ridiculous. I wonder what people that buy so easily into that think of this, and how it compares to those incredibly lousy (in terms of details and actual evidence) reports from "silencing" chinese doctors...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ff-fired-ppe-resources-pandemic-a9439331.html
When you accuse them of lying or "hiding numbers" (have yet to see a well-sourced and credible report about this) I wonder what the feck you think about the insane level of lying and cuntishness of some Western leaders... Even in my country (and autonomous region), with governments I roughly "support" they lie every fecking day, to the people, to us doctors...
I also wonder what these people think of Trump, Brexit and the likes of Bolsonaro. What do they think of Blair, Aznar and Bush?
I mean, China's human rights record is absolutely terrible and should never be ignored. I'm not claiming they are the good guys. But when you look into social dynamics (poverty, safety networks for the little guy, corruption - legal in the US, called "lobbying") and even foreign policy trajectories, how the feck do the Western super-powers look that much better?
At some point it seems the only thing we will be able to say we got over them morally is that we're a democracy. Gerrymandered, but still.
I'm annoyed and sleepless (benzo abstinence) so excuse the passive agressiveness of the rant, but I'm sure I will still stand by most of this tomorrow.
fecking ridiculous. I wonder what people that buy so easily into that think of this, and how it compares to those incredibly lousy (in terms of details and actual evidence) reports from "silencing" chinese doctors...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ff-fired-ppe-resources-pandemic-a9439331.html
When you accuse them of lying or "hiding numbers" (have yet to see a well-sourced and credible report about this) I wonder what the feck you think about the insane level of lying and cuntishness of some Western leaders... Even in my country (and autonomous region), with governments I roughly "support" they lie every fecking day, to the people, to us doctors...
I also wonder what these people think of Trump, Brexit and the likes of Bolsonaro. What do they think of Blair, Aznar and Bush?
I mean, China's human rights record is absolutely terrible and should never be ignored. I'm not claiming they are the good guys. But when you look into social dynamics (poverty, safety networks for the little guy, corruption - legal in the US, called "lobbying") and even foreign policy trajectories, how the feck do the Western super-powers look that much better?
At some point it seems the only thing we will be able to say we got over them morally is that we're a democracy. Gerrymandered, but still.
I'm annoyed and sleepless (benzo abstinence) so excuse the passive agressiveness of the rant, but I'm sure I will still stand by most of this tomorrow.
You realize that people might be disgusted at China's behavior, and at the same time hate Trump, Bolsonaro and Boris? These things are hardly mutually-exclusive.
I don’t buy into the whole conspiracy stuff but I think there’s a genuine concern that China have misled / lied about it as part of a cover up.
If that’s ever proven, surely that’s equitable to war crimes?! You’d imagine there would be international condemnation! Could get very messy
If that’s ever proven, surely that’s equitable to war crimes?! You’d imagine there would be international condemnation! Could get very messy
It's not exactly the disgust and hate. That may very well be justified against every elite, including the CPC. It's about the rethoric of demanding sanctions and isolating China.
As an European I find exactly the same thing about the fecking US. Sanction them until they impeach the Orange idiot. The only argument against it, in my opinion, is realpolitik. Which applies as well to our relationship with China.
We're turning railway coaches into makeshift treatment and isolation centres in India.
Really hoping they get properly sanitized once this is over and the coaches get back into service
Really hoping they get properly sanitized once this is over and the coaches get back into service
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I was surprised to see an article in the New York times I think it was yesterday or day before about the time line on what happened in Wuhan. It gave a lot of details and time lines and how and why it happened.
According to it after SARS China had installed a computerised system to alert anything of this sort. The hospitals were supposed to enter all information and details into the system and then the CDC would have been alerted in Beijing.
What Beijing didn't take into account was the very nature of their system of government would be the main reason it failed.
Doctors instead of entering the information consulted the heads of the hospitals and the political heads in Wuhan. They procrastinated and the data was not entered.
By end of December CDC has been alerted by whistleblowers and private messages that something unusual was going on in Wuhan and that it was not flu nor SARS.
They sent a team and investigating it found that it was something they don't know.
That's when they realized that this was out of control and they have no idea what it is. WHO was informed about it in January and they also wrote in the Lancet journal.
What they designed should have worked if not for human failures of local politicians in Wuhan. Yes they got sacked of course but it's small comfort. In the old days of Mao they would have disappeared.
Regarding the masks now it has been revealed that the masks ordered by the Spanish and Dutch were through a local company who ordered it from a private manufacturer in China. The specs were American specs and not EU specs. Chinese government has already banned export of equipment that's not approved by the government.
Yes they are a dictatorship and yes they call themselves Communist but in all reality they are no more Communist than Saudi Arabia.
Give them credit when they help. Criticise them when they deserve it. East is East and West is West. Things are different in different countries.
Furthermore a Russian AN124 will be landing in New York in about an hour with medical supplies, gift of the Russian government to the US government. Why can't countries work together?