SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Some political, societal and economic reasons as for why China might be misrepresenting their numbers regarding infected and deceased.

Some weeks before we have enough reliable (assumed) data from western countries to make a more qualified verdict regarding the mortality and contagiousness of the virus.
In northern Italy with more than 300 people infected and 12 deaths makes a 4% death rate, I’m surprised about Africa and south/central America no reported deaths.
 
Rumours rife in Liverpool about a case and a guy self isolating in the Raddison which is opposite my office and wear Everton seem to go before away days. There is a cigar and whisky place on the same road which a friend had a booking at tonight and he’s been told they’re closed for reasons related.

Could all be BS though.
 
Someone remind me if this guy is a credible source..?

They are finding so many cases because they are testing so much more. It isn't increasing this rapidly.

It takes 4-8 weeks to die. And since there are about 10 deaths in italy, they had around 1.000 cases already a month ago (1% fcr). And probably have 5-20.000 now. With 70-85% without symptoms.
 


Found this factual and useful. Should be played everywhere as a PSA.

Thank for sharing. Thing is, nobody is believing stuff from qualified sources such as this, yet are happy to believe some random on Reddit.

I don’t actually mind people being more panicked than needed because they will take it more seriously, which can only be a good thing when it comes to keeping themselves and everyone else safe.

I can’t bloody buy carry hand san anywhere! Whilst it’s not as good as ol’ soap and water, if people are using it religiously it WILL help overall.
 
Flying to Bologna on the 13th of March, really hope this has all died down a little by then.
They are saying would take a year to clean this mess if somehow they find a vaccine sometime this year, by then a lot of people will be dead, the world economy will crash, unemployment would be high, that‘s a fecking ride waiting for us. A damn virus causing more trouble than the US vs China trade war. Time to watch “the stand” then the “11 monkeys”:)
 


Not sure how legit this is but its frightening if true.
 
First person died in US with the virus

Wonder when they actually died, wouldn’t be surprised if they timed the announcement for when the markets are closed.
 
They are saying would take a year to clean this mess if somehow they find a vaccine sometime this year, by then a lot of people will be dead, the world economy will crash, unemployment would be high, that‘s a fecking ride waiting for us. A damn virus causing more trouble than the US vs China trade war. Time to watch “the stand” then the “11 monkeys”:)
Yikes. Holiday might be going out the window then
 
So it's possible to get the virus and not be sick at all?

How common is that?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic.html

Yes it is. There was one Italian village that tested everyone, which gives us a good sample. Can't find it now. I try later, or some Italians can help. Probably over half have no symptoms, if I had to guess.

Which means smaller death rate but that there are a lot more cases and pandemia is very likely, as has been known for over a week at very least.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic.html

Yes it is. There was one Italian village that tested everyone, which gives us a good sample. Can't find it now. I try later, or some Italians can help. Probably over half have no symptoms, if I had to guess.

Which means smaller death rate but that there are a lot more cases and pandemia is very likely, as has been known for over a week at very least.


That's interesting. Presumably healthiest people aren't getting it.
 
In northern Italy with more than 300 people infected and 12 deaths makes a 4% death rate, I’m surprised about Africa and south/central America no reported deaths.

You're out of date with that. 1,128 cases now with 29 deaths, a 2.5% death rate. However there are likely many more cases now they have stopped testing asymptomatic patients, and all 29 deaths had other conditions that may have been the primary killer.


Someone remind me if this guy is a credible source..?


He is just repeating the official statistics from Italian government, published daily at 6pm:

http://www.protezionecivile.gov.it/...ault/content/coronavirus-sono-1049-i-positivi
 
You're out of date with that. 1,128 cases now with 29 deaths, a 2.5% death rate. However there are likely many more cases now they have stopped testing asymptomatic patients, and all 29 deaths had other conditions that may have been the primary killer.




He is just repeating the official statistics from Italian government, published daily at 6pm:

http://www.protezionecivile.gov.it/...ault/content/coronavirus-sono-1049-i-positivi
Are there any timelines reported in Italy for how long people who dies had been ill?

Also can you find the data from a village that tested eveyone? I think it was about couple of thousand people tested and found 1.7% infected.
 
Are there any timelines reported in Italy for how long people who dies had been ill?

Also can you find the data from a village that tested eveyone? I think it was about couple of thousand people tested and found 1.7% infected.

Not to my knowledge, but all were old and ill and a lot caught it from being in hospital for something else.

The village is called Vo Euganeo but i can't find anything about the results.
 
Not to my knowledge, but all were old and ill and a lot caught it from being in hospital for something else.

The village is called Vo Euganeo but i can't find anything about the results.
Thanks. I saw it even on a Finnish newspaper, but I think they edited the article and took away the most interesting part.
 
It's great to generalise a whole country by the acts of a minority of it's citizens. Your post also reeks of superiority, sort of like you know, a supremacist.

Chinese levels of hygiene, are every bit as bad as I describe. It’s not a minority. It’s a majority.

I’m not saying they’re not clean. I’m not saying that they smell, which they certainly don’t. But they spit, have low sanitary standards, and that’s not up for debate.
 


Not sure how legit this is but its frightening if true.

I always take anti-Iran news that originates outside of the country with a pinch of salt.

Their Ayotollah-out campaign is as bad as our Ole-out campaign. Even when you agree with their broader point, you can never get a straight answer or rational opinion out of them. It's always a polemic.
 
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Not to my knowledge, but all were old and ill and a lot caught it from being in hospital for something else.

The village is called Vo Euganeo but i can't find anything about the results.
The people of Vò Euganeo were all tested on the 24th, 25th and 26th of February. About 3,300 people live in the various Comunes there.
https://www.ilgazzettino.it/nordest...uganeo_test_cittadini_orari_dove-5071807.html

This is from yesterday:
Dei 151 casi 95 sono asintomatici, 33 sono i ricoverati totali, di cui 9 in terapia intensiva. Il focolaio più grande resta quello di Vò Euganeo, con 70 casi, seguito da Treviso con 23, poi Venezia con 10, Limena con 9, Mirano con 5 e Vicenza con 3.
https://www.ilrestodelcarlino.it/cronaca/coronavirus-news-veneto-1.5049726
Translation - (In the Veneto region) Of 151 cases 95 are asymptomatic, 33 are the total inpatients of whom 9 are in intensive care. The largest outbreak remains in Vò Euganeo, with 70 cases, followed by Treviso with 23, then Venice with 10, Limena with 9, Mirano with 5 and Vicenza with 3.
 
Chinese levels of hygiene, are every bit as bad as I describe. It’s not a minority. It’s a majority.

I’m not saying they’re not clean. I’m not saying that they smell, which they certainly don’t. But they spit, have low sanitary standards, and that’s not up for debate.

:wenger::lol:
I doubt I'll read a more appalling and ill-informed post on redcafe today.

Wish you well!
 
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They are finding so many cases because they are testing so much more. It isn't increasing this rapidly.

It takes 4-8 weeks to die. And since there are about 10 deaths in italy, they had around 1.000 cases already a month ago (1% fcr). And probably have 5-20.000 now. With 70-85% without symptoms.

+42% everyday

In 1 month 29 million of infected (with that rate)
 
You can skip washing your hands only if all of those conditions apply:

- You didn't touch anything except for your cock in the bathroom
- You didn't pee on your hands
- You washed your cock within the last 24 hours
- You didn't have sex
- You're not planning on meeting people or shaking hands in the next 15 minutes

If one of those apply to you then you must wash your hands.
I'm more pratical, if it's good enough for someone to suck it, it's good enough for me not to wash my hands.

Urine is almost always sterile, safer than tap water in some places. Even if it isn't, I'm not aware of any diseases that are transmitted in an "urine-oral" fashion, unlike fecal-oral.
 
I'm more pratical, if it's good enough for someone to suck it, it's good enough for me not to wash my hands.

Urine is almost always sterile, safer than tap water in some places. Even if it isn't, I'm not aware of any diseases that are transmitted in an "urine-oral" fashion, unlike fecal-oral.
Coronavirus exists in the bodily fluids. That means it's in the urine just as much as saliva or cough/sneeze droplets.

If you get get a bit of piss on your hands then open the door, the next person who touches the handle will get the coronavirus on their own hands.
 
@Dante @Arruda

The transmission dynamics have yet to be fully determined.

From the related viruses SARS cov2 and Mers coV we know transmission is mainly via respiratory droplets and contact with infected surfaces ( from coughing and sneezing)

Viable (Infectious) SARS Cov2 has been detected in urine samples but viable MersCov has only been isolated from respiratory tract samples.

More here: updated Feb19 2020

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/faq.html
 
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Imagine a pathogen with similar transmissability and incubation period, but with Ebola like effect. Could this be an ELE ?