SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Just watching some of Trumps press conference and note that Pence stands really close to him.... there are people in the Amazon forest who know about the 2 metre rule?!!

Imagine if one of them caught it and gave it to the other one... the President and Vice President could both die.

Just imagine.....

You can still buy cake and champagne during lock down.
 
Look mate, you've sold Caftards to eighty different countries. You drive around in a custom Lambo quad bike and yet you only declared £15,999 on your self assessment. We're onto you.

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If I was going to Jimmy Carr it, I would be much smarter than he was. And £15,999? That's a little high, do you think my quad is gold plated or something!
 
That's what I would have thought.

Some of the bars around me have been lighting up with blue light to show 'solidarity' with NHS workers. What does that actually achieve?

It's a nice gesture, but achieves nothing but warm feeling for those who don't work for the NHS. Don't get me wrong, my other half is the first to say thanks about it, but when her NHS trust only just got their first wave of PPE equipment and training today it's a stark reflection of 10 years underfunding. Hopefully those clapping will reflect their support and applause for the NHS at the ballot box in the future.
 
It's a nice gesture, but achieves nothing but warm feeling for those who don't work for the NHS. Don't get me wrong, my other half is the first to say thanks about it, but when her NHS trust only just got their first wave of PPE equipment and training today it's a stark reflection of 10 years underfunding. Hopefully those clapping will reflect their support and applause for the NHS at the ballot box in the future.

It's given them something to congratulate each other about and give themselves a pat on the back.
 
I think in June you get the payment, it is 3 months all at once, HMRC contact you if your eligible, you have to earn under £50 k, you can claim it whether you able to continue working or not, it is taxable, and you are eligible still if you claim Tax credits and Universal credit.

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Yep, can carry on working and almost double up on income.
 
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If I was going to Jimmy Carr it, I would be much smarter than he was. And £15,999? That's a little high, do you think my quad is gold plated or something!
So you admit to having a quad bike. I fecking knew it. People like you should work for free. And I should get all the money because that's how it works now.
 
So what happens after say eight weeks of lockdown @Wibble? Is the virus gone? The answer is no, and remember how fast this spread from one market in China to the entire globe.

Stable is what everyone needs right now. you act when the curve starts to take a drastic upwards turn otherwise all you are doing is kicking the can down the road for when you let people out again and this virus goes mental.

I’m sure the Swedish experts expect that cases in Norway may start to slow more than Sweden, but they are also expecting that once Norway starts to relax again the spike will come back.

I think you may be setting up a version of lock-down that isn't being considered in most places.

Of course the virus it isn't gone after 8 weeks. Which is why we are going to be hugely restricted for quite some time. Far longer than 8 weeks. Ideally until if/when a treatment and/or vaccine is ready or in the worst case scenario a couple of years until it has infected most of the planet.

If you can prevent your medical services from being overwhelmed, or at least limit how badly they are overwhelmed, until the infection rate drops significantly you may be able to loosen restrictions slightly and then infections may start to rise again. In which case you harden restrictions again. How you do this my vary country to country but I doubt most western democracies have the discipline to do this without huge state intervention. And if you let things get as bad as Spain or Italy stability will be long gone.
 
So you admit to having a quad bike. I fecking knew it. People like you should work for free. And I should get all the money because that's how it works now.

You joke, but everyone seems to have overlooked the comments about "bringing tax all into line" from those snakes...


So soon you might have a quad bike and I'll be walking like a peasant :(
 
It's a nice sentiment from the public, but as my other half told me as she looked out into the street most NHS staff would just prefer their service to be properly funded & PPE equipment ready for them to do their job.

Wondered what the fireworks In Manchester were for just now.

The Fireworks are to celebrate the closure of Piccadilly Gardens.

The clapping thing might be worse than the celebrities 'Imagine' cover.

That's what I would have thought.

Some of the bars around me have been lighting up with blue light to show 'solidarity' with NHS workers. What does that actually achieve? It's the real world equivalent of FB likes.
It's a nice gesture, but achieves nothing but warm feeling for those who don't work for the NHS. Don't get me wrong, my other half is the first to say thanks about it, but when her NHS trust only just got their first wave of PPE equipment and training today it's a stark reflection of 10 years underfunding. Hopefully those clapping will reflect their support and applause for the NHS at the ballot box in the future.

That's a very miserable way of looking at the clapping and not accurate at all. At this moment in time the NHS is under extreme pressure with staff feeling pretty demoralised. Things like this can help keep you going at that point. When you're exhausted, upset, doubting what you do. Just that little bit of public acknowledgement makes it a touch easier to pick yourself back up and carry on.
 
The Fireworks are to celebrate the closure of Piccadilly Gardens.






That's a very miserable way of looking at the clapping and not accurate at all. At this moment in time the NHS is under extreme pressure with staff feeling pretty demoralised. Things like this can help keep you going at that point. When you're exhausted, upset, doubting what you do. Just that little bit of public acknowledgement makes it a touch easier to pick yourself back up and carry on.

Agreed.

My sister who is suffering as a head nurse right now might downplay it, but I can tell it means something. All you guys in public service are fecking heroes right now.
 
That's a very miserable way of looking at the clapping and not accurate at all. At this moment in time the NHS is under extreme pressure with staff feeling pretty demoralised. Things like this can help keep you going at that point. When you're exhausted, upset, doubting what you do. Just that little bit of public acknowledgement makes it a touch easier to pick yourself back up and carry on.

I get it, my point is that for these moments they're great but they're forgotten very quickly by the public. I see it every day and they deserve more than applause, they deserve working conditions to allow them to do their work. It's like asking them to juggle with one arm tied behind their back. I mean my other half hasn't been tested yet and she's coming into contact daily with potential carriers, nothing miserable about it - it's reality sadly.
 
One thing on the self employed tax issue people seem to have not noticed...


He said to keep on working. That means building sites, cleaners, all self employed people still out there if they can and still packed tubes.
 
One thing on the self employed tax issue people seem to have not noticed...

He said to keep on working. That means building sites, cleaners, all self employed people still out there if they can and still packed tubes.

I noticed that, I don't think it's his remit to make those statements, i have a feeling that we'll have another wave of measures from Boris tomorrow. They still shouldn't be working now off the back of the announcement today though. Police powers kicked in today, and he can now enforce that policy officially. Plus the death rate going up today gives him the argument and logic to make that call.
 
I get it, my point is that for these moments they're great but they're forgotten very quickly by the public. I see it every day and they deserve more than applause, they deserve working conditions to allow them to do their work. It's like asking them to juggle with one arm tied behind their back. I mean my other half hasn't been tested yet and she's coming into contact daily with potential carriers, nothing miserable about it - it's reality sadly.

But she's going to keep facing that situation either way. It's wrong, but that's reality.

Taking a few moments to just hear appreciation shows that throughout all this, there's many of us who still want to stick together. There's many who still see people who are actual heroes.
 
I didn't know about the clap at 8 prior to it happening in my affluent and likeminded street but I guessed it was to do with the NHS. My dim neighbours either side of us were doing it outside their houses and then they fecking went over and started having a chat and their sets of kids are now playing together. One of the adults has a horrendous cough to boot. I bet the NHS workers would be thrilled with such a magnanimous gesture by these sets of Einsteins.
 
I noticed that, I don't think it's his remit to make those statements, i have a feeling that we'll have another wave of measures from Boris tomorrow. They still shouldn't be working now off the back of the announcement today though. Police powers kicked in today, and he can now enforce that policy officially. Plus the death rate going up today gives him the argument and logic to make that call.

But we have to keep working.

It's not until June we can even start to think about being paid...
 
This is a great thread to learn about the population density and urbanization of Sweden and now the ins and outs of filing tax returns if you're self-employed.
 
You joke, but everyone seems to have overlooked the comments about "bringing tax all into line" from those snakes...


So soon you might have a quad bike and I'll be walking like a peasant :(
Oh, it'll be fine. In my new world there will be no need for money because there will be nothing to buy.
Were you all clapping over a roast?
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I woke up to the clapping then joined out of my window. Nice to see the street appreciating the NHS :)
 
Agreed.

My sister who is suffering as a head nurse right now might downplay it, but I can tell it means something. All you guys in public service are fecking heroes right now.

She'll likely be embarrassed and play it down but yeah she'll have a warm feeling inside and the next time she feels low she'll get the warm feeling again to get her refocused on what needs to be done.

I get it, my point is that for these moments they're great but they're forgotten very quickly by the public. I see it every day and they deserve more than applause, they deserve working conditions to allow them to do their work. It's like asking them to juggle with one arm tied behind their back. I mean my other half hasn't been tested yet and she's coming into contact daily with potential carriers, nothing miserable about it - it's reality sadly.

Yeah the vast majority of people don't appreciate any of our key public services unless they have need to use them or they receive their assistance. That's life though isn't it? People are like that with everything! Our services have been stripped bare in recent times under austerity and no one seems overly bothered. No one stuck up for the fire service or the police when there were screwed over with their pensions. No one batted an eyelid when Doctors, Nurses, Firefighters and Police officers had their pay frozen for year after year essentially resulting in a pay cut given the rise of inflation. . I could go on. The point is though shows of appreciation like this do help. That's because the people in those roles are not motivated by money but by public service and the sacrifices they make every single day show just that.

People should remember things like this. Some will. Sadly many are that self absorbed they won't.
 
But she's going to keep facing that situation either way. It's wrong, but that's reality.

Taking a few moments to just hear appreciation shows that throughout all this, there's many of us who still want to stick together. There's many who still see people who are actual heroes.

Oh i'm firmly in that camp, don't get me wrong. However i see it second hand daily the reality of what is happening. No need to sugar coat it so everyone feels warm. I would love people to put their effort into pressuring government in getting those heroes the equipment they need. It's like sending people into war without any armour!

But we have to keep working.

It's not until June we can even start to think about being paid...

Well they get a lump sum in June for the three months, i can't see HMRC paying double bubble for the self employed, the worry of this is those that will exploit (whether intentionally or due to cashflow) the system and working and then claiming the support. The question they have to address quickly is getting those first payments out in April, not in June.
 
And @Redlambs send my best to your sister. Your family must be sick with worry but she'll be fine. She has one great big second family around her and with you all together she'll push though it. Hope things get sorted with your finances too. Chin up mate.
 
Doing nothing wrong in my eyes. They are social distancing. People walking their dogs in the countryside is not spreading the virus. It's spreading rapidly in London because thats where there is the most concentration of people especially on public transport.

Yeah if thats all they're doing, but they are obviously driving out there and you can imagine a lot of them (lets be honest probably most of them) are stopping at petrol stations on the way to and back from the countryside, for fuel, water, coffee, snacks to use the loo etc. Potentially spreading the virus over many surfaces if they're infected and don't know it yet, effectively carrying the virus from one part of the country to another.
 
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