SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

The form we have to carry with us in Italy every time we leave the house has been revised again - I think it's the fourth version now. Each time it gets more complicated and you have to make even more declarations. You also have to include all your personal data.

The fine for being out without a valid reason is now up to 4000 euros.
 
11101 said:
If where i live is anything to go by you'll be about to have your best month ever.
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Nah it's dead and has been for two weeks.

There's less than 20 restaurants left on it in the whole city and they're all shit places so no one is ordering.
 
The wait for self employed is an issue, however, the july tax payment has been deferred, so most should have that to use to tide them over those three months.

Its teh zero hours contract and temp workers that still get very little I think.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Nah it's dead and has been for two weeks.

There's less than 20 restaurants left on it in the whole city and they're all shit places so no one is ordering.
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Last time I ordered the food got cold while I struggled to delicately remove the packing as if I were handling nuclear waste.
 
I know lives are being ruined but everyone on Twitter complaining they’re not getting money because they’ve been tax avoiding for the past few years via dividend payments instead of taking a wage. Hopefully they have some good savings behind them.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
:lol: mate complaining that he's going to be out of pocket because his declared income for the last decade is about 8 grand less than what he actually makes. Actually thought I'd sympathise with him, the thick twat.
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Chickens coming home to roost like the financial crash in 08. Lots of self employed got upset they couldn’t claim contribution based benefits when they chose not to pay their national insurance.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
:lol: mate complaining that he's going to be out of pocket because his declared salary for the last decade is about 8 grand less than what he actually makes. Actually thought I'd sympathise with him, the thick twat.
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Nogbadthebad said:
The wait for self employed is an issue, however, the july tax payment has been deferred, so most should have that to use to tide them over those three months.

Its teh zero hours contract and temp workers that still get very little I think.
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Seems to be largely ignored by those most vocal about this.

Agreed on the second point; zero hour contract workers are fecked.
 
Penna said:
The form we have to carry with us in Italy every time we leave the house has been revised again - I think it's the fourth version now. Each time it gets more complicated and you have to make even more declarations. You also have to include all your personal data.

The fine for being out without a valid reason is now up to 4000 euros.
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My wife has just been given a form today stating she is a NHS key worker for in case the Police ask.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
The wait for self employed is an issue, however, the july tax payment has been deferred, so most should have that to use to tide them over those three months.

Its teh zero hours contract and temp workers that still get very little I think.
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You can also get universal credit or even a temporary job in the mean time.

Think its the best they can do. Obviously need time to decide who is eligible and how much for.
 
The Government is now suggesting it might partake in the EU wide medical equipment procurement schemes after all. Apparently they "missed the email inviting the UK to join in", and definitely aren't backtracking after their grandstanding received intense criticism .


It's frustrating how often we seem to need to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing the right thing, every delay will cost lives
 
iammemphis said:
I know lives are being ruined but everyone on Twitter complaining they’re not getting money because they’ve been tax avoiding for the past few years via dividend payments instead of taking a wage. Hopefully they have some good savings behind them.
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Haha really? Serves them all right for trying to be ‘tax efficient’ and not paying into system properly. Pay your fair share, it’s as simple as that.
 
We are all gonna be fecked once this is over, going to be paying astronomical tax and NI for years.

This isn't the time we are financially struggling, it's going to be for years to come.
 
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I'm having a hard time getting my head around this 'not essential' malarcky. Surely the most important thing is social distancing, which is exactly what these schmucks are doing all the way up in the mountains. Them being there might even free them up from walking dogs in more crowded places.

Am I wrong here?

Edit: Assuming they have to go out and walk the dog, which I believe is covered in the T&Cs
 
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mitChley said:
My wife has just been given a form today stating she is a NHS key worker for in case the Police ask.
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That's good, makes it a bit easier for NHS staff. I'm wondering if the UK will bring in a form as they have in Italy - it would have to be less complicated than the one we're using. However, it works in that you literally worry just going 5 minutes away to the nearest shop, which is all we're allowed to do.
 
One Night Only said:
We are all gonna be fecked once this is over, going to be paying astronomical tax and NI for years.

This isn't the time we are financially struggling, it's going to be for years to come.
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Yeah, there will be the inevitable recession to look forward to after this. Until then I'll keep spamming my mate with the video of Bernard Black filling out his tax returns.

"WHAT DOES THST MEAN?! If you live in a council flat beside a river but are not...blind WHAT?!"
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Yeah, there will be the inevitable recession to look forward to after this. Until then I'll keep spamming my mate with the video of Bernard Black filling out his tax returns.

"WHAT DOES THST MEAN?! If you live in a council flat beside a river but are not...blind WHAT?!"
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Great show! Think I've got it all recorded on sky too! Might binge it this weekend.

Does there actually need to be a recession? And not just stricter caps put in place for gas/leccy/TV license/council tax?

The money we are using now has surely been built up over years, we can do the same again?

I haven't forgiven them for putting VAT up to 20 after lowering it to 15% for about 3 years to help us out, it's been at 20% for God knows how long. Robbing pricks.
 


Video of a New York hospital lacking equipment. Healthy 30-50 year olds coming in with the virus.
 
vodrake said:
According to the Department of Health and Social Care, these are only the results from 9am yesterday until 5pm yesterday, not the results from today. Very bad day yesterday :(
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Also worth noting that consent is now required to include a death in the daily figure which obviously affects the timeliness of the reporting.
 
iammemphis said:
I know lives are being ruined but everyone on Twitter complaining they’re not getting money because they’ve been tax avoiding for the past few years via dividend payments instead of taking a wage. Hopefully they have some good savings behind them.
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That’s not avoiding tax.
 
Dancfc said:
Apparently around 1,400 people die a day in England and Wales which means weekly the numbers are bigger than the overall Covid19 deaths in Italy.

Makes you think.
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Dancfc said:
Begs the question, why are Italy's funeral parlors being overwhelmed when they probably get those type of overall Covid19 death numbers weekly.
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Why do you think multiple countries around the world have been building emergency field hospitals? Just for shits and giggles?
 
Mr Pigeon said:
So they've filmed people who are getting their exercise in what is probably a place much less crowded than outside their houses, got the footage back, edited it and then posted in on Facebook. Wow, essential work that.
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None of these people are anywhere near other people. I'm sure local parks are much more crowded. Bizzare stuff
 
Italy’s northern Piedmont region said on Thursday that 50 people had died there from coronavirus in the last 24 hours, numbers which were omitted from the national tally released by the Civil Protection Agency because they arrived too late.

The omission means that daily deaths amounted to 712 on Thursday rather than the 662 officially reported, and marked an increase from the 683 registered the previous day.

Total deaths since the start of the outbreak are therefore 8,215, rather than the 8,165 reported.
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After listening to the chancellor speak I’m desperate for some advice if anyone can help?

Basically theres a lad who‘s worked for me for 5 years, did his apprenticship and got qualified then 2 months ago wanted to go self employed so that he could do a couple of small jobs for himself and earn a bit more money while also sub contracting to me. Am I now right I thinking that because he’s no longer employed and doesn’t have a 2019 tax return he’s entitled to neither the 80% furlough pay or the 80% allowance for the self employed? If so what other ways has he got of getting any sort of financial help? If anyone has got any info then please let me know.
 
nooshka said:
After listening to the chancellor speak I’m desperate for some advice if anyone can help?

Basically theres a lad who‘s worked for me for 5 years, did his apprenticship and got qualified then 2 months ago wanted to go self employed so that he could do a couple of small jobs for himself and earn a bit more money while also sub contracting to me. Am I now right I thinking that because he’s no longer employed and doesn’t have a 2019 tax return he’s entitled to neither the 80% furlough pay or the 80% allowance for the self employed? If so what other ways has he got of getting any sort of financial help? If anyone has got any info then please let me know.
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I don't know the answer but there's going to be 1000s of people who fall through the cracks and get shafted. Hopefully he's not one of them.
 
Penna said:
@DoomSlayer, what's happening to you and yours?
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We were having extreme financial difficulties in our business due to external factors, outside of legality and fair competition.

This is basically crushing us. Our area was trading, manufacturing and transport work. The work was keeping us afloat for the most part, but now everything is stopping, our trade partners cannot pay, we have previous debts that we can't realistically collect.

And on top of that my country is fecked on a government level since nobody is actually going to help because it favours the monopolists on the market to become even stronger in the future, and those "players" have deep ties and connections everywhere, resources behind them that they are enabled by the system to save, whilst smaller or medium-sized enterprises like ours are left to survive against all odds.

It's an even longer story than that, but basically we have no means left to provide for ourselves and keep up with all the bills, mortgages, lease and loan payments. It's a nightmare.
 
duffer said:
Why do people do it then? (I'm not self-employed so don't know. Genuinely thought people took dividends to lessen the tax bill).
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In my case it's because cash flow isn't consistent, so I can't always pay a set wage. Plus it's freedom to allow the business to retain money when it needs to and pay out when it can.

People who don't know any better think it's all about loopholes and avoidance, and as such are now acting like typical FB twats ranting and raving and not caring about reality. Like we are all massive companies paying 1% at best.


That's not to say people aren't fiddling figures, but for fecks sake we all aren't.
 
Redlambs said:
That's not to say people aren't fiddling figures, but we all fecking don't.
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I do kinda assume most self-employed people fiddle their books, not just because almost all tradesmen I've used have offered me a "discount for cash" but also because I'm absolutely certain I'd so the same to some extent.
 
Withnail said:
None of these people are anywhere near other people. I'm sure local parks are much more crowded. Bizzare stuff
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It's the travel bit. At a time when almost all medical resources are geared towards the pandemic, random accidents elsewhere are not appreciated. A broken foot up in the hills, a car crash on the way home, and so on.
 
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