SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

I wonder if this pandemic will have long-term effects on society. More attention towards health & hygiene would be nice.
 
I wonder if this pandemic will have long-term effects on society. More attention towards health & hygiene would be nice.

I think it will be a massive wakeup call that countries have to collaborate on plans well before things like this happen in the future.
 
I did https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ first entry.

Can you point it out where we are worse than Italy?

We aren't worse than Italy, but we aren't far behind. From memory I think Italy went on lockdown on March 9th so we are at least 3 days ahead of them. I'm not convinced enough people are taking this seriously in the UK though.

We also have a lethal situation brewing in London which could mimic whats happening in Madrid.
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86​
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55​
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79​
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107​
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294​
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148​
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342​
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79​
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March 6th​
197​
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533​
March 14th​
91​
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March 7th​
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638​
March 15th​
127​
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March 8th​
366​
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830​
March 16th​
148​
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463​
March 20th​
1,093​
March 17th​
175​
 
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What scares me most of all this are the WhatsApps with messages from nurses talking about the situation and how they give up on people over 65 for lack of ventilators ,plus the news of young people who die without having previous pathologies.

In this situation, politicians - once they begin to see the danger - tend to cover their backs, so I'm surprised by Boris Johnson laxity.
 
We aren't worse than Italy, but we aren't far behind. From memory I think Italy went on lockdown on March 9th so we are at least 3 days ahead of them.
UK Dates​
UK Deaths​
Italy Dates​
Italy Deaths​
Spain Dates​
Spain Deaths​
March 8th​
3​
Feb 23rd​
3​
March 5th​
3​
March 9th​
5​
Feb 24th​
7​
March 6th​
8​
March 10th​
6​
Feb 25th​
11​
March 7th​
10​
March 11th​
8​
Feb 26th​
12​
March 8th​
17​
March 12th​
10​
Feb 27th​
17​
March 9th​
30​
March 13th​
11​
Feb 28th​
21​
March 10th​
36​
March 14th​
21​
Feb 29th​
29​
March 11th​
55​
March 15th​
35​
March 1st​
41​
March 12th​
86​
March 16th​
55​
March 2nd​
52​
March 13th​
133​
March 17th​
71​
March 3rd​
79​
March 14th​
196​
March 18th​
104​
March 4th​
107​
March 15th​
294​
March 19th​
144​
March 5th​
148​
March 16th​
342​
March 20th​
177​
March 6th​
197​
March 17th​
533​
-​
-​
March 7th​
233​
March 18th​
638​
-​
-​
March 8th​
366​
March 19th​
830​
-​
-​
March 9th​
463​
March 20th​
1,093​

So people are scaremongering by saying we are worse? Really don’t want an argument about it but feck me guys people could commit suicide reading some of the shit posted.

We know it is bad but jeez it ain’t all over just yet.
 
We aren't worse than Italy, but we aren't far behind. From memory I think Italy went on lockdown on March 9th so we are at least 3 days ahead of them. I'm not convinced enough people are taking this seriously in the UK though.

We also have a lethal situation brewing in London which could mimic whats happening in Madrid.
UK Dates​
UK Deaths​
Italy Dates​
Italy Deaths​
Spain Dates​
Spain Deaths​
March 8th​
3​
Feb 23rd​
3​
March 5th​
3​
March 9th​
5​
Feb 24th​
7​
March 6th​
8​
March 10th​
6​
Feb 25th​
11​
March 7th​
10​
March 11th​
8​
Feb 26th​
12​
March 8th​
17​
March 12th​
10​
Feb 27th​
17​
March 9th​
30​
March 13th​
11​
Feb 28th​
21​
March 10th​
36​
March 14th​
21​
Feb 29th​
29​
March 11th​
55​
March 15th​
35​
March 1st​
41​
March 12th​
86​
March 16th​
55​
March 2nd​
52​
March 13th​
133​
March 17th​
71​
March 3rd​
79​
March 14th​
196​
March 18th​
104​
March 4th​
107​
March 15th​
294​
March 19th​
144​
March 5th​
148​
March 16th​
342​
March 20th​
177​
March 6th​
197​
March 17th​
533​
-​
-​
March 7th​
233​
March 18th​
638​
-​
-​
March 8th​
366​
March 19th​
830​
-​
-​
March 9th​
463​
March 20th​
1,093​

Fair enough. I've just been looking at this sort of thing...



And remembering that

a) we've got less hospital beds and less ICU beds per head than Italy

And

b) we're a country full of selfish feckheads and flag waving tossers who think the year is still 1890
 
So people are scaremongering by saying we are worse? Really don’t want an argument about it but feck me guys people could commit suicide reading some of the shit posted.

We know it is bad but jeez it ain’t all over just yet.

Well, if you actually read what doctors and nurses are reporting in the UK then you'll understand why people are nervous. The Government aren't investing in actually attempting to save lives, nor are they taking testing seriously. We are very close to breaking point in London and if that happens, it will be a disaster. Thats not scare mongering, thats a population of 8.9million people with a massive shortage of hospital beds. That's exactly the issue in Madrid, and yet they've got what 2.5million less people?

If it gets bad in London, the numbers will quickly surpass Italy and look more like Spains. But currently we aren't there yet thankfully, but the very genuine concern is that we're on the verge of popping.
 
Too late. Ours will be worse.

Currently the UK case trendline is below Italy. Thats a fact and better to remember that when people are getting hyped up by political nonsense. I dont know enough about respective demographics and health facilities to talk about death rates.

Italy went into lockdown at 9000 cases, so following that the UK should do the same by the middle of next week.
 
Fair enough. I've just been looking at this sort of thing...



And remembering that

a) we've got less hospital beds and less ICU beds per head than Italy

And

b) we're a country full of selfish feckheads and flag waving tossers who think the year is still 1890


And Italy are a country who kiss each other if they pass them in the street and live with elderly relatives in the same home. We can all skew arguments to our own narrative but sometimes people just want to look in on a thread and not feel they are on death row by people scaremongering.

Apologies I am probably going a bit over the top but whatever the government does(not saying they are right) there will always be half the country believing it is the wrong way.
 
My bad! Just sick of the doom and gloom and negativity everywhere.This is just so unprecedented that I’m guessing everyone is unsure how to tackle it. One expert says this then another will tweet saying this option will kill millions etc etc.

No wonder toilet rolls are flying off the shelves when reading twitter or even here.
Yeah, I’d strongly avoid here if you don’t want negativity or any social media for that matter. This thread works in the same way a thread would work during a terrorist attack. Lots of figures on dead people, lots of fake news, etc..
We aren't worse than Italy, but we aren't far behind. From memory I think Italy went on lockdown on March 9th so we are at least 3 days ahead of them. I'm not convinced enough people are taking this seriously in the UK though.

We also have a lethal situation brewing in London which could mimic whats happening in Madrid.
UK Dates​
UK Deaths​
Italy Dates​
Italy Deaths​
Spain Dates​
Spain Deaths​
March 8th​
3​
Feb 23rd​
3​
March 5th​
3​
March 9th​
5​
Feb 24th​
7​
March 6th​
8​
March 10th​
6​
Feb 25th​
11​
March 7th​
10​
March 11th​
8​
Feb 26th​
12​
March 8th​
17​
March 12th​
10​
Feb 27th​
17​
March 9th​
30​
March 13th​
11​
Feb 28th​
21​
March 10th​
36​
March 14th​
21​
Feb 29th​
29​
March 11th​
55​
March 15th​
35​
March 1st​
41​
March 12th​
86​
March 16th​
55​
March 2nd​
52​
March 13th​
133​
March 17th​
71​
March 3rd​
79​
March 14th​
196​
March 18th​
104​
March 4th​
107​
March 15th​
294​
March 19th​
144​
March 5th​
148​
March 16th​
342​
March 20th​
177​
March 6th​
197​
March 17th​
533​
-​
-​
March 7th​
233​
March 18th​
638​
-​
-​
March 8th​
366​
March 19th​
830​
-​
-​
March 9th​
463​
March 20th​
1,093​
Erm, have you not seen the shops? Or the streets? Have you not seen the shutdown? I don’t really know what more needs to be done for you to think it’s being taken seriously. Short of people openly having panic attacks in the street, not sure what the next step of ‘taking this seriously is’.
 
Illinois follows New York and California in issuing shelter order. It seems like matter of time before it gets to my state even though our governor is currently against the idea.
 
Well, if you actually read what doctors and nurses are reporting in the UK then you'll understand why people are nervous. The Government aren't investing in actually attempting to save lives, nor are they taking testing seriously. We are very close to breaking point in London and if that happens, it will be a disaster. Thats not scare mongering, thats a population of 8.9million people with a massive shortage of hospital beds. That's exactly the issue in Madrid, and yet they've got what 2.5million less people?

If it gets bad in London, the numbers will quickly surpass Italy and look more like Spains. But currently we aren't there yet thankfully, but the very genuine concern is that we're on the verge of popping.

So who is deciding? Are they not qualified for the job? Not talking about BoJo but his advisors and where has he grabbed them from to make decisions?
 
I am across the sea in Ireland and i am as worried about the UK as i am about Ireland.

I'm in Meath. From Dublin and work in blanch.

I'm so worried as they are attached to us and Boris hasn't given any clear direction.

Clusterfeck
 
Illinois follows New York and California in issuing shelter order. It seems like matter of time before it gets to my state even though our governor is currently against the idea.
What state is that? I'm in MI and Governor said the same but then they all say that to likely avoid some kind of mad dash to the stores or unnecessary panic building up. It will likely happen either this weekend or right after.
 
Illinois follows New York and California in issuing shelter order. It seems like matter of time before it gets to my state even though our governor is currently against the idea.

Hard to believe since your state is the country's ground zero.
 
And Italy are a country who kiss each other if they pass them in the street and live with elderly relatives in the same home. We can all skew arguments to our own narrative but sometimes people just want to look in on a thread and not feel they are on death row by people scaremongering.

Apologies I am probably going a bit over the top but whatever the government does(not saying they are right) there will always be half the country believing it is the wrong way.

No need to apologise and I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm on a downer but I just think we're generally an ignorant bullish nation about to get a wake up call.

I've been in contact with friends in Italy through this and they were where I am now now a few weeks ago... angry at people not socially distancing themselves and taking it seriously.

Everyone knows our health service will not be able to cope. We had advantages being an island that other nations didn't have and we sat on our hands. We didn't do enough early doors and it's still not enough now. I get that we're trying to build to a lockdown so it's not a shock but I think most sensible people are ready for it. Again, it's the imbeciles holding everyone back.
 
What state is that? I'm in MI and Governor said the same but then they all say that to likely avoid some kind of mad dash to the stores or unnecessary panic building up. It will likely happen either this weekend or right after.
I'm currently in Washington (Tacoma). Up north in Seattle and surrounding King/Snohomish co. is where it's hurting the most but we just had first death in my county not too long ago so it's continuing to take a turn for the worse here as well.
 
Erm, have you not seen the shops? Or the streets? Have you not seen the shutdown?

Damage has been done imo, we'll see by next weekend where we're at. That's the whole point of this virus, it's not a 24 hour killer, it takes several days before it starts to actually hit you hard. We won't know how effective the lockdown has been until Tuesday/Wednesday.

So who is deciding? Are they not qualified for the job? Not talking about BoJo but his advisors and where has he grabbed them from to make decisions?

Well, whoever decided to talk about Herd Immunity needs putting on the naughty step. I honestly don't know anything about this, all i've done is read a few articles with differing opinions from English and International people and it seems we made a bad error following that philosophy. But these are unprecedented times for our country and we were fecked whatever action we took and it's extremely difficult juggling our economy with saving lives. I just feel gutted for our NHS staff that must be going through hell right now in the badly hit areas. Those are the people that our Government should support as best they can, not just now but the following months/years.
 
No need to apologise and I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm on a downer but I just think we're generally an ignorant bullish nation about to get a wake up call.

I've been in contact with friends in Italy through this and they were where I am now now a few weeks ago... angry at people not socially distancing themselves and taking it seriously.

Everyone knows our health service will not be able to cope. We had advantages being an island that other nations didn't have and we sat on our hands. We didn't do enough early doors and it's still not enough now. I get that we're trying to build to a lockdown so it's not a shock but I think most sensible people are ready for it. Again, it's the imbeciles holding everyone back.

Yeah sorry just a bit sick of it all. Usually had a read of the Caf to cheer me up even at Utd’s expense at times.

Guess it was an escape at times and didn’t mean any bad feeling I would just like a bit more positivity as maybe there are people alone who after reading stuff will not want to venture out at all even for a spot of fresh air.
 
Not really. It did look like the rise of new cases was slowing down but the last couple of days has seen massive increases again. I live in a mid size town and the wife and I have also noticed a lot more ambulance sirens around the last day or two. The only silver lining is that all the equipment orders made at the onset are now coming through, ICU places have gone from 5000 to 8000 and are rising quickly.

The law for the lockdown measures needs renewing this weekend anyway and I can see them tightening things further, theres a constant stream of complaints from government that people are not staying at home enough.



I have a statistician contact who is modelling the outbreak with his company. Hes been publishing it for a few days now and has been fairly spot on with numbers so far. He predicts R0 on April 1 or 2 and a total of 220k cases in Italy.

Jaysus. Thanks for the update.
 
Fair enough. I've just been looking at this sort of thing...



And remembering that

a) we've got less hospital beds and less ICU beds per head than Italy

And

b) we're a country full of selfish feckheads and flag waving tossers who think the year is still 1890

Spain though :eek:
 
No need to apologise and I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm on a downer but I just think we're generally an ignorant bullish nation about to get a wake up call.

I've been in contact with friends in Italy through this and they were where I am now now a few weeks ago... angry at people not socially distancing themselves and taking it seriously.

Everyone knows our health service will not be able to cope. We had advantages being an island that other nations didn't have and we sat on our hands. We didn't do enough early doors and it's still not enough now. I get that we're trying to build to a lockdown so it's not a shock but I think most sensible people are ready for it. Again, it's the imbeciles holding everyone back.

This is what I have been saying all along, it will be the idiots that kill us all in the end. I agree with everything you are saying, there are simply too many people not taking this seriously.

An idiot at work said to me today that this will blow over within the next fortnight :confused: this is what we are up against.
 
Sounds like our plan is to have an X amount of doctors in at once, then have the rest on “standby” for when they inevitably get the Covid. Then swap out. Rinse and repeat.
 
A lockdown from day one would have been a lockdown about 2 months ago. It was never into question, even in the best of chances, it wouldn't have been possible, even the Chinese couldn't do that.

What you see in the UK, however, is the exact opposite, not a half-sensible middle ground. News anchors in Portugal are shocked that only today were classes suspended.

Boris Johnson is now no different than that famous Iraqi information minister.
Is there any particular reason to take note of Portugese news anchors - and is it acceptable for Portugese news anchors to offer an opinion on something? Strange comment.