SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Again, you're making it sound like the majority of teachers are going to be sitting with their feet up. Fecking quit it because it's just plain insulting.

Exactly. Knowing a few teachers, they don’t even know what their situation is. Most think they’ll be in on Monday but a total lack of information.
 
Don't know if anyone raised this earlier in the thread, but it's been suggested that teachers could be asked to teach/look after the children of people working in essential/emergency services. That sounds like a great idea to me.

What are the logistics of that? Keeping schools open for a few kids? Then you need the cleaners, perhaps cook, and others which may not be possible. It’s very simple to say that, but I don’t see how it works. All the teachers I know are very concerned about kids who are ‘at risk’ through a number of circumstances but there is no information being fed through.
 
They’re being tested with mild symptoms as precaution and found out to have the virus. Regular folk with much worse symptoms are told to self-isolate without testing.

Proof? Oh right, there isn't any. Different countries have differing testing criteria. Some celebs are in a test anyone country place, others in a test only sick people place. @Grinner had it right with his facts only thread.
 
They take 8 weeks unpaid leave.

He’s also asked the government for a massive bailout.
C**t
They are better off being fired, then they can at least claim benefits.
So in short, he does not want to pay them, but still be contractual obliged to work for him when his businesses recover.
 
They’re being tested with mild symptoms as precaution and found out to have the virus. Regular folk with much worse symptoms are told to self-isolate without testing.
I know that, but these self isolating on tv seem to be all high spirits and not even coughing. It’s just strange to see
 
Again, you're making it sound like the majority of teachers are going to be sitting with their feet up. Fecking quit it because it's just plain insulting.

Think teachers will have more work than ever now, depending on the country ofcourse but the majority of them will switch in some form over to a different way of teaching, through other platforms. The whole system of teaching, exams etc will have to be revised and implimented, I don't envy them.
 
Because they have shedloads of money. Everything's more comfortable if you're rich.
True! But they could atleast cough Or look a little miserable if they’re showing symptoms enough to self isolate
 
I get the production model. Still don’t see how this would shut it down. Certainly not any time soon.
A knock on effect of the model is that there are relatively few contingencies in place, because the integrity of the chain is assumed to be maintained by competition in the market.

But if all suppliers are equally fecked and/or transit is compromised across the board, that's going to lead to shortages.

Supermarkets aren't as well known for their forward planning as the government is.
 
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Get a life

Excuse me?

I've got two children to support and a partner. As it stands we struggle to pay rent and all the bills as it is. You think I should get a life because I'm currently worried how I'll support my family if work decides to send me home or shuts down due to the virus?

Yeah, how dare anybody complain that the standard person in an average job could be expected to live on 95 quid a week and support their family.
 
Excuse me? Grow up mate.

I've got two children to support and a partner. As it stands we struggle to pay rent and all the bills as it is. You think I should get a life because I'm currently worried how I'll support my family if work decides to send me home or shuts down due to the virus?

Yeah, how dare anybody complain that the standard person in an average job could be expected to live on 95 quid a week and support their family.
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They take 8 weeks unpaid leave.

He’s also asked the government for a massive bailout.

Presumably the unpaid leave thing is billed as a implied threat of, take this, or we'll have to dish redundancies out?
Otherwise why on earth would you?
 
Excuse me? Grow up mate.

I've got two children to support and a partner. As it stands we struggle to pay rent and all the bills as it is. You think I should get a life because I'm currently worried how I'll support my family if work decides to send me home or shuts down due to the virus?

Yeah, how dare anybody complain that the standard person in an average job could be expected to live on 95 quid a week and support their family.

Things like this are useful reminders that not everybody breathes memes.
 
But if all suppliers are equally fecked and/or transit is compromised across the board, that's going to lead to shortages.

We're months away from product shortages, most supply chains and production facilities won't grind to a halt during this.
 
Excuse me? Grow up mate.

I've got two children to support and a partner. As it stands we struggle to pay rent and all the bills as it is. You think I should get a life because I'm currently worried how I'll support my family if work decides to send me home or shuts down due to the virus?

Yeah, how dare anybody complain that the standard person in an average job could be expected to live on 95 quid a week and support their family.
He was parodying the reply from that Tory mp who was asked about surviving on benefit money.
 
Excuse me?

I've got two children to support and a partner. As it stands we struggle to pay rent and all the bills as it is. You think I should get a life because I'm currently worried how I'll support my family if work decides to send me home or shuts down due to the virus?

Yeah, how dare anybody complain that the standard person in an average job could be expected to live on 95 quid a week and support their family.
I feel for you, mate.

I know it's going to be difficult for many to swallow their pride on this, but I'd imagine that food banks are going to be popping soon.
 
@VorZakone I don't mean to be callous, but just because the numbers are so large and look scary, I just want to offer for perspective that about 1% of the population dies every year in developed nations. So almost 3 million Americans die each year, a majority due to illness/old age. When you compare the virus to WWII deaths it looks several times worse, but even during the war it's likely that more people died from non-war causes rather than the war (in the US, don't mean European countries).

I have parents in their 70s at home, I obviously want us to be safe as a society and am in favor of the current measures being taken in the US and elsewhere, and most of all wish that we'd get a better grip of the testing situation globally.
 
Presumably the unpaid leave thing is billed as a implied threat of, take this, or we'll have to dish redundancies out?
Otherwise why on earth would you?

Cnut of a man. At least people are calling him out on it for once. I hope he goes down the Philip Green route and shows himself in his true light when his employees needed him the most.
 
A knock on effect of the model is that there are relatively few contingencies in place, because the integrity of the chain is assumed to be maintained by competition in the market.

But if all suppliers are equally fecked and/or transit is compromised across the board, that's going to lead to shortages.

Supermarkets aren't as well known for their forward planning as the government is.

But why would all suppliers be simultaneously fecked/transit compromised? Sick employees? Seems heartless to say this but one thing we won’t be lacking in the coming months is people looking for work.

If anything, transit should run a little smoother than usual, seeing as the EU announced they will be passing legislation to prioritise food and medicine transit at all border crossings.
 
Impossible to buy them here anymore.
Oh well...

That Singapore lecture I posted earlier was very interesting, because they were explicit with their public that they DID NOT WANT them to wear masks everyday and waste them. They wanted them saved for when they would be most useful: both to protect others when you were contagious and for when you had to interact with people showing symptoms. Everyone wearing masks all the time in public is an awful waste for little benefit.
Unfortunately the fact is a Wuhan Coronavirus carrier can be contagious and infect plenty of other people before showing any signs of symptoms.

Singapore has a smaller population than Hong Kong and over 70% more cases despite being much further away from China.
People who don’t have it shouldn’t be wearing a mask.
And how do you know if one has it? Wearing a mask is about protecting yourself AS WELL AS OTHERS.
Does CDC recommend the use of facemask to prevent COVID-19?

CDC does not recommend that people who are well wear a facemask to protect themselves from respiratory illnesses, including COVID-19. You should only wear a mask if a healthcare professional recommends it. A facemask should be used by people who have COVID-19 and are showing symptoms. This is to protect others from the risk of getting infected. The use of facemasks also is crucial for health workers and other people who are taking care of someone infected with COVID-19 in close settings (at home or in a health care facility).

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html
Now I can understand this kind of advice IF there is a shortage of masks available, you should prioritize the healthcare professionals. However, if availability isn't an issue, I don't see why one would not want to wear one.
It’s not really to do with masks. They might help a little but it’s really only fitted filtered face masks that really help. One reason Hong Kong is relatively well is because they are so well prepared after SARS. Hand sanitizers everywhere. Government instruction videos about cleanliness in your house, battalions of cleaners cleaning everything that’s frequently touched. They are just prepared for it. They kept all this up even though sars was a few years ago. I only know this because my sis lives there. Compare that to here.
Government? I live here, and honestly the main reason it's relatively contained in Hong Kong is because the vast majority do NOT trust the government, at all. The Chief Executive of Hong Kong currently has about a 20% approval rating.
The CE actually tried to tell people not to wear masks early in the outbreak - even told government staff not to wear them. (https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...onavirus-carrie-lam-warns-hong-kong-officials). The city just ignored her and bought up a lot of masks from all over the world.

So in a way we did contribute to the mask shortage around the world (sorry...), but it works, especially if you live in a metropolitan area.
 
Hindsight and all that, but we should have just quarantined all international arrivals for 14 days when the virus first hit Wuhan. Sometimes panic is good.
 
Hindsight and all that, but we should have just quarantined all international arrivals for 14 days when the virus first hit Wuhan. Sometimes panic is good.
China tried to hide it from the public and by the time the story broke, it was already everywhere.
 
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I sort of had to laugh at your response as I knew what he was getting at, but at the same time, totally feel for you, as you and a lot of people are going to be under a massive amount of stress right now, and that's even without the virus
I feel for you, mate.

I know it's going to be difficult for many to swallow their pride on this, but I'd imagine that food banks are going to be popping soon.

Haha feel like a right tit responding like that now but I had no idea FFS, I've had a mare there.

I work in a warehouse do that's extra pressure as we're currently getting absolutely battered and can barely cope with the orders. I've had a message through today saying from tomorrow before we can enter the warehouse we will have to be tested with a handheld temperature scanner. They're currently ignoring government advice too, HR of the company has basically said it's up to the worker to decide if they should self isolate. From the sounds of things that's now changed since yesterday with these temperature measures being introduced. Which makes little sense considering it doesn't prove whether anybody does or doesn't have the virus. It's bizarre.
 
China tried to hide it from the public and by the time the story broke, it was already everywhere.
Was it though? The first precautions that I heard being taken in India is temperature screening, which allowed the asymtomatic infected persons to slip in. If compulsory quarantine was enacted right from the beginning there would've been close to 0 cases. I mean is compulsory quarantine being done even now? This should be standard procedure for a pandemic like disease from now onwards.
 
Dependents leave is paid in my profession. I assumed it was everywhere? You can take unpaid leave but that's different.
Its not per the government unfortunately for a lot of parents. Id imagine most will have to use stat holidays or unpaid leave