SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Even with all the shit going on, I can still find the time to get annoyed about people using the Fahrenheit scale. :D
 
The Firestarter said:
Ok I see two options here
1) You are the only person in the world that gets a siri voice notification of the sort : Ding, Covid 19 has entered your system .
2) You indeed have mental deficiencies .
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Sorry, I'm not sure I follow your point here. What is a 'siri voice notification'? - presumably a kind of Cortana/Alexa variant?

I guess you are suggesting that it is possible for me to have the virus but to be unaware of it. If so, then I accept that there is a small possibility that is the case. My question then would be why is the risk that I pose greater when visiting a pub than it is going to the supermarket (which I did early on Tuesday morning)? I'll probably need to go to the shop again, to buy some milk, in the near future (how irresponsible is that?). If I happen to be an asymptomatic carrier, then just how many others are there? The entire strategy of self-isolation based on symptoms breaks down if we posit a world in which there are legions of unknowing carriers out there.

To your second point, I can affirm that I have no mental deficiencies (and I really don't know why you would suspect I have, unless of course you attribute such a condition to anyone who holds a different point of view to you).
 
Steerpike said:
Sorry, I'm not sure I follow your point here. What is a 'siri voice notification'? - presumably a kind of Cortana/Alexa variant?

I guess you are suggesting that it is possible for me to have the virus but to be unaware of it. If so, then I accept that there is a small possibility that is the case. My question then would be why is the risk that I pose greater when visiting a pub than it is going to the supermarket (which I did early on Tuesday morning)? I'll probably need to go to the shop again, to buy some milk, in the near future (how irresponsible is that?). If I happen to be an asymptomatic carrier, then just how many others are there? The entire strategy of self-isolation based on symptoms breaks down if we posit a world in which there are legions of unknowing carriers out there.

To your second point, I can affirm that I have no mental deficiencies (and I really don't know why you would suspect I have, unless of course you attribute such a condition to anyone who holds a different point of view to you).
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The whole "pub" thing has become a trigger after Starkie's bizarre "I'm alright Jack and you're all idiots" ranting from the other day. If you had said "orgy" instead of "pub" then you would have been fine, which is actually what you were at so please stop lying to us.

I'm at one right now. I stand at the foot of the bed and clap.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
The whole "pub" thing has become a trigger after Starkie's bizarre "I'm alright Jack and you're all idiots" ranting from the other day. If you had said "orgy" instead of "pub" then you would have been fine, which is actually what you were at so please stop lying to us.

I'm at one right now. I stand at the foot of the bed and clap.
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I think you could create a TV show and solve the nation's boredom and sexual fantasies in one swoop.
 
duffer said:
A friend has asked me to go bowling tomorrow night. His reasoning is that there will be nobody there and he needs a night away from the wife and kids before we all get locked down (his wife is getting a similar "night off" from him and the kids tonight).

I can kinda see his logic but will probably pass, those bowling shoes are probably dripping in Covid-19.
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And putting fingers / thumb into the ball...!?

Josep Dowling said:
I’m extremely concerned about my gran. My grandfather died in January and she’s in her late 80s. Had a fall last week to make matters worse and I was going over there to see her as much as I could. I’ve been told her general mood has decreased massively in last two weeks because no one has been to see her (I was away on holiday). Loneliness can make people go insane.
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Skype mate, regularly. And make her laugh, if you have that type of relationship.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
The whole "pub" thing has become a trigger after Starkie's bizarre "I'm alright Jack and you're all idiots" ranting from the other day. If you had said "orgy" instead of "pub" then you would have been fine, which is actually what you were at so please stop lying to us.

I'm at one right now. I stand at the foot of the bed and clap.
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I get nervous when I see 'clap' and 'orgy' in the same post.
 
horsechoker said:
Does anyone think 18 months isolation is even feesible?

Even if the government told us it was 18 months, people would last 2 and think feck this I'll take my chances.

Imagine you're old and you live 17 months in isolation then die anyway.
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I do not think such a lockdown is feasible, it may even be unneccessary.

What I do hope to see here in Europe (otherwise we're fecked):
- escalating levels of restrictions
- eventually you contain the virus like China, Korea. May take a few months
- after health services have recovered from the initial shock, and have been structurally optimized and reinforced we may see attempts a very slow ease of restrictions. By slow I mean each time we'll have to wait a few weeks, until we're sure health services can deal with the new cases
- meanwhile less virulent strains will hopefully have become more precavalent, a few will now be immune. Knowledge on how best to treat the disease will improves. Maybe we'll be closer to a vaccine...
- a bit less restricrion
- rinse and repeat

Maybe 18 months the whole thing, but hopefully not a full lockdown, it will be eased.

A sort of "Brirish Strategy" but reversed.

You strike with extreme force - as we are unprepared. And then you ease up as the situation allows.
 
Steerpike said:
I am by no stretch of the imagination drunk!

I accept the point you make about the ability of the virus to persist on solid surfaces. Having said that, I'm as confident as I can be that I arrived at the premises virus free (there are people who get it and remain entirely asymptomatic, so without testing I can't entirely rule out having it - the odds are extremely low).

If I touched the kinds of surfaces you talk about, and I most likely did, then there is a risk that I could have picked up the virus from someone else. If so, I will start to exhibit symptoms in a few days and will self-isolate. There is no-one who I came into close contact with between leaving the pub and arriving home, and no-one I am likely to come into close contact with between now and the point at which I would become symptomatic.

In short, the only risk has been to myself, and I'm happy to accept that risk.
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There may be a time when you'll either have nowhere to go, or be detained. We will be living in police places, hopefully temporarily. Much (but not only) due to people like you.
 
Tarrou said:
what would banning wet markets do to help?
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The unsanitory conditions and the diversity of animals slaughtered there are the perfect storm for breeding viruses. This video is an eye opener, but it explains it well.

Viewer discretion if you can't stand seeing animal cruelty, it's a hard watch and left me pretty angry, but the science is interesting:

 
Mr Pigeon said:
The whole "pub" thing has become a trigger after Starkie's bizarre "I'm alright Jack and you're all idiots" ranting from the other day. If you had said "orgy" instead of "pub" then you would have been fine, which is actually what you were at so please stop lying to us.

I'm at one right now. I stand at the foot of the bed and clap.
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He probably could have said Nazi bondage party and got less flack, at least they'd only be spreading it in a private room dungeon.
 
Arruda said:
There may be a time when you'll either have nowhere to go, or be detained. We will be living in police places, hopefully temporarily. Much (but not only) due to people like you.
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Perhaps, but does anyone really look forward to having nowhere to go? Whether it is imposed by legislation, or implied through government advice and social conscience, it will still be miserable. There will be a growing tide of resentment towards the restrictions, and they will ultimately fail. Not immediately, perhaps not even for a few months, but certainly in less than a year.
 
TMDaines said:
Start with San Marino. It is they and not Italy that are the worst hit country in the world per capita. Italy is big and has areas less affected. San Marino is right in one of the shit zones.
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Yeah that makes sense. I would be surprised if they had the infrastructure to support an outbreak like in Italy.

Edit: not that Italy is able to support its outbreak.
 
I have lived in Hong Kong for quite a bit now and I think the way we handled the virus along with Singapore seems to be seen as a success.
No bars/restaurants have closed. People still go there every day.
People use extremely crowded public transport every day.
Schools have been closed since January.
There was a shortage of masks/disinfectants/toilet paper for about 2 weeks. Since mid February everything is available again.
Everyone wears a mask outside bar some westerners that made it their point to go against the mainstream by insisting WHO said it is not necessary.
Before entering any bar/pub/restaurant, people disinfect their hands. There is sanitizer everywhere and people are using it.
Life goes on almost normally and people show a lot of self control.
My staff works from home since January as much as possible, we keep the warehouse, office and showroom operating on minimum staff. Most businesses handle it that way.
Handshaking stopped completely.
Since this week if you arrive from a country other than Taiwan or China, you are given an electronic bracelet, forced to install an app. Take a taxi home, then use the app to walk around the perimeters of your appartment/hotel room and self quarantine for 2 weeks.
 
17 Van der Gouw said:
The unsanitory conditions and the diversity of animals slaughtered there are the perfect storm for breeding viruses. This video is an eye opener, but it explains it well.

Viewer discretion if you can't stand seeing animal cruelty, it's a hard watch and left me pretty angry, but the science is interesting:

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The market itself isn't the problem though is it? It's the wildlife trade and hygiene standards

Banning wildlife trade and bringing in strict hygiene regulations makes a lot of sense though
 
Orange County, California is being locked down starting I believe tomorrow. Everyone working from home. No dining in restaurants. No public gatherings. Etc, etc.

Confused because Trump said before that there’d be zero cases in no time.
 
Raoul said:
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I can't see either the governments/business allowing it or the public giving a shit for long enough for the ideal scenario in terms of deaths to work there. It'll surely end up somewhere down the middle?
Beans said:
It seems that celebrities are getting tests when no one else can.
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Presumably just private healthcare. Athletes will obviously have this stuff on tap.
 
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