SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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and this is what all those who are promoting the 'just close everything down!' approach seem to ignore. there are real consequences for people when you do that. the economy isn't just a capitalistic monster, it literally helps us survive.
sounds like your school are being pretty harsh though. can you go onto benefits in the mean time? if you have a mortgage ask if you can apply to suspend payment for a few months (a few banks are already offering this).
Just came across this 
As of yesterday it was 55%
20603 positive
9268 recovering at home - 45%
9663 in hospital - 47%
1672 in intensive care - 8%
Yeah, that was always going to happen. Just a step closer to the bloody Walking Dead sans zombies (Unless the MAGA people counts as zombies).
Setup a GoFund me page to get your car fixed. I’m serious.
America,feck yeah!
Not an expert but I'm guessing it'd depend on your country's labor code. I received a declaration containing this:
"As of 16.03.2020 your Employer is no longer able to assign you work in accordance with your employment agreement. Due to this fact, your Employer will have impediments on its side, in accordance with Section 208 of the Labor Code.
During this period of the Employer’s impediments and until the eventual cancellation of such impediments, you will not perform any work for the Employer, act as a representative of the Employer towards third parties or come to your workplace and the Employer will pay you a compensatory wage in the amount of your average earnings.
During the period of the impediments at work, we hereby ask you to stay at home or at any other place away from the premises of the Employer. "
I reside in the Czech Republic.
Or they are actually not ignoring it but recognizing that the lockdown will happen anyway but by waiting you potentially increase the amount of infected and critical patients to a point where the public health services are totally overwhelmed which will not only provoke deaths but also lengthen the lockdown?
I imagine there'll be a lot of GoFundMe pages in coming weeks.
The point of my original post was more to gauge whether I had any rights in terms of refusing to quarantine if I show no symptoms. I just worded it terribly because I'm beyound stressed right now.
I'd say individual attitudes differ quite a bit, and they're much related to the level of fear someone has about getting the virus & one's personal sense for social responsibility. An easy-going attitude isn't rare.
But it's also true that I haven't heard a lot of complaints about the measures now being taken. (After authorities needed a lot of time to finally get their act together).
I was thinking something more along the lines of "She's an attractive you lady". Keeping it classy, maybe not as classy as you'd describe fancying Helen Mirren but still.
I was in Poland but we had no where to go. Everything was closing even our hotel then all flights were cancelled so we could have been stuck and not being able to go anywhere. We had to get out of the country by midnight. Flew back from Germany last night. I’m just glad to be home. British Government did nothing. We didn’t receive any emails from Ryanair or Easyjet about cancellations and they won’t refund most people. Won’t be using Ryanair ever again, so many people were left stranded because of them. I suppose it’s the price you pay for ‘cheap’ flights.
How much would you pay for a picture of my balloon knot?
everyone knows the lockdown will happen anyway. the longer the lockdown, the worse it will be for businesses, workers with no sick leave, and the economy as a whole. the number of infected is also going to increase, we all know that, but shutting everything down for 6 months is just not viable.
it'd be interesting to know how many of those just saying to shut everything down now have the comfort of paid sick leave/working from home entitlement/less risk to their actual livelihood.
That can’t be right. Where did you see these data? Maybe the definition of “in hospital” include something similar to those field hospitals set up in China where infected but basically well elderly people were kept isolated? One in two people being so sick they need to be admitted to hospital would contradict all the data coming in from other countries.
Time to reup on that body armour in AmmuNation
No one told you to shut down for 6 months though. What is said is to do it when the health services are overwhelmed or going to be overwhelmed in the next weeks.
And by the way, I totally get the economy part because it's obvious but I also get the health service part too. At this point we need to manage both instead of stupidly getting stuck on one side of the debate.
Sorry I can’t help with that side of things.
Im sure someone on here will have an opinion on that. I’m guessing because it’s unprecedented a lot of this stuff will go unanswered for a bit and will be made up along the way.
Try and find some way to unwind though, making yourself sick with stress us not good for you
Thanks.
Well I'm in work today and we had loads of staff ring in sick so we took a mini bus of kids to Southport for a Geography trip. It really is unprecedented
Don’t think it’s been posted yet but found this quite funny...
Yes, of course.
i agree that things should be shut down at the right time, so to avoid the health services being overwhelmed. that's exactly the government's approach though. we're still very much in the early stages, but many have suggested (in this thread) that we should have been in lock down a month ago already. it's clearly going to be worse in July than it is right now, so that is heading towards a 6 month period. if that was the case we will have destroyed small business and people's livelihoods, even beyond the health issues. it just doesn't seem like you can prevent the 1% percentage of infection rate that China has achieved in Europe.
agree with your last paragraph completely.
I think they may only be testing at a point where you require medical assistance so would count all of those. They have almost no cases reported below 40 compared to over 60, and Korea who were testing everyone saw majority of their infected in that 20-40 bracket. I'd trust S. Korea data over anybody else at this point. I'd guess if you include young people who haven't been tested because they are not showing significant symptoms Italy would be at over 50k cases easily.
I think we've unfortunately gone past the point where we can protect small businesses and self-employed, there'll have to be government solutions to help them. I think 2020 is a write off for all and hopefully we can return back to normal at some point in 2021.
Perhaps it's down to differences in testing coverage? The fewer people are tested, the higher the percentage of serious cases in the statistics. Same for mortality figures.
(No idea if that applies to the stats you quoted.)
I'm guessing it a mix between government and businesses
Denmark and Sweden with something similar
British unions are asking for the Dan model but the government to the surprise on no one isn't listening.
This is what high taxes can achieve.
If it reached this level in Ireland I think it's safe to say we'd be f*cked, given Italy's amazing public healthcare system is so overwhelmed.
Here a 9 old British kid and his uncle, tourists in a ski resort have tested positive. The uncle knew that his sister had it, and still traveled! Shit cnut. You brits will feck us over...
London tube trains were deserted this morning. Presumably services will be cut and TFL will lose even more money
Directly from the government:
http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nu...iano&id=5351&area=nuovoCoronavirus&menu=vuoto
In hospital means sick enough that they need somebody to be monitoring them.
Anybody who has symptoms is tested, so whilst the total number of infected is unknown it does mean over half those who show symptoms need hospital care.
More like what the shitty social welfare of the UK can't. We have way higher social welfare fall back for people who will lose their job in Ireland than the UK do, and we don't have high taxes. It's not at the level of the Nordic countries but still much better.
Impressed with Scandinavians efforts. Going to quote this to all free market freaks on my Facebook, will create quite a bit of shitstorm.