SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Classical Mechanic said:


This is my question on the WHO approved method. What happens to economies if we go into a cycle of complete shutdowns for 18 months whilst we wait for a vaccine? This will result in mass business closures and mass job losses. This will have a massive societal impact and cause significant social unrest that I just don't think the WHO's singular vision has any comprehension of. They are not in the business of running economies and societies.

You could view the UK approach as utilitarian in that its seeking to protect the society as a whole whilst accepting that loss of life cannot be avoided and is a trade off for that. Of course this is unpalatable for many but the alternative could reap much worse consequences e.g. mass poverty, social unrest and governments becoming more authoritarian to maintain control.
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There are definitely two schools of thought here. And a case can be made for either approach. I still think the WHO approach is the right one.

We might be a long way off making a vaccine but treatments could be approved/available very soon. The regulators are all on board with approving new drugs with unprecedented speed. Plus slowing down the exponential increase in cases buys time to build more ITU beds and analyse all the data on how to best manage the disease. It also helps keep greater numbers of frontline medics alive longer.

Allowing this to spread almost completely unchecked could have apocalyptic conseqeunces. To be clear, this is NOT a disease that will only put elderly people on a ventilator.
 
FrankDrebin said:
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JFC.
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Morons.
 
Revan said:
In Italy, it is allowed to go to grocery and pharmacy. So I guess you should be able to get his painkillers.
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Looking online you still can go to the vets in Italy so it will be the same here I'd imagine. He'd suffer not getting his walks though, he's a high drive working dog so that might be the logical time to have him put to sleep.

JPRouve said:
If we were talking about gastroentiritis I would get it but in this case it's just perplexing. :lol:
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Probably going to sell them on in the pub at a massive profit.
 
duffer said:
Even if he has it, he won't admit it, will he?
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If he has it he can't be holding daily press conferences or meeting with anyone so his disappearence for a while will confirm things.
 
Supermarkets need to take action and put a quota on certain items, a minority of idiots are going to cause a food shortage for the majority.
 
Dante said:
Italy is probably my favourite country in Europe. It's heartbreaking what's happening there.
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Yeah. I’ve spent about a year of my life there between childhood holidays, travelling as an adult and studying/living there briefly. It’s been like reading an obituary of towns I’ve visited.
 
lsd said:
Thats all the tories are worried about that and the money saved from killing off those with health conditions too .

This is what people voted for a Goverment that is more than willing to condemn over two million of its own citizens to death so long as they come out of it better off financially.

We will lose loved ones whether they are elderly or sick and no one seems to care because the economy is domehow more important

Its disgusting but we only have ourselves to blame
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That’s right it makes perfect sense for the tories to kill off the section of society that most reliably votes Tory. FFS.
 
We've seen China/Wuhan and the region in Italy pretty much stop the virus with a lockdown. Hopefully Spain can do the same. Big question is what happens when you remove it. Also the virus did appear in all regions in China but never produced any more hotspots and seems to have almost fizzled out but perhaps understandably Europe is seeing multiple hotspots over a small region. Could be looking at 3000 people dead per large European country while China in total is ~3000 dead with most in the hubei region of 60 million people.

I think places like UK will be pressured into reacting when numbers get similar to Spain. Not sure I buy UK is 100% going down the herd immunity route but it has a chance to be a bit more proactive and stop a few more deaths than earlier hit countries in Europe.
 
TMDaines said:
I think you’d be surprised how successfully you can stop the spread of disease in close contact if you are really careful and preferred. This is where FPP3 masks are most valuable if infected and healthy people have to be in close proximity for a while.
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The discussion was more about the government's policies, which do involve taking precautions for isolating with family members around.
 
Volumiza said:
Please tell me they’re at the Emporium? If it’s still called the Emporium anyway :lol:

That’s where me and my mates used to rip it up 20 odd years ago. They were the days.

I live about 5 miles away and visit regularly as I have an aunt there. Grim place, like a ghost town.
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Yep the very same place. Re-opened two years ago apparently and hosting 25 year anniversary of first show or something.
 
I am surrounded by lunatics. One side thinks this is only a flu and the other ones are buying food for a year and are predicting the end of the world. People are so irrational.
 
redshaw said:
We've seen China/Wuhan and the region in Italy pretty much stop the virus with a lockdown. Hopefully Spain can do the same. Big question is what happens when you remove it. Also the virus did appear in all regions in China but never produced any more hotspots and seems to have almost fizzled out but perhaps understandably Europe is seeing multiple hotspots over a small region. Could be looking at 3000 people dead per large European country while China in total is ~3000 dead with most in the hubei region of 60 million people.

I think places like UK will be pressured into reacting when numbers get similar to Spain. Not sure I buy UK is 100% going down the herd immunity route but it has a chance to be a bit more proactive and stop a few more deaths than earlier hit countries in Europe.
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Surely the U.K plan has always been try to stagger through to end of March? That's when schools break up and Easter holiday starts (could always bring that forward forward by a week if needs be). At least then if it's pissing down outside you've got families together/off work so more chance of keeping everyone in one house.

Of course given how events are accelerating doubt this country will even make to end of March, mass gatherings apparently going to be banned from next week so that's the first step to start of lockdown.

Two years ago the beast from the east struck. It's an awkward position of partly hoping for bad weather to keep people indoors easier but also means more people will pick up illnesses that may or may not be linked to Covid.
 
I wonder how China is looking at the international situation now that they seem to have got it under control themselves.
 
One point I've seen made a few times is that if you fancy a takeaway in the UK right now, your local Chinese joint would very much appreciate the business. From the stories I've seen they've been struggling for the whole year, due to people not really understanding what's a risk and what isn't.

If I had the money, and indeed actually liked Chinese food, I'd be going for it. Imagine lots of them have offers on.
 
Anyone knows why some countries are in the 100s cases per million(Italy are at 349) while countries like France, China, Netherland or Germany are in the 50-70 range?
 
Volumiza said:
Please tell me they’re at the Emporium? If it’s still called the Emporium anyway :lol:

That’s where me and my mates used to rip it up 20 odd years ago. They were the days.

I live about 5 miles away and visit regularly as I have an aunt there. Grim place, like a ghost town.
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You’re so old.....like, really old. Actually, that sentence put you in the high risk group
 
France joining Italy in it's lockdown has been announced.

Supermarkets, pharmacies and the tabacs will remain open but all unneccesary stores will be closed, including restaurants, cafes etc...
 
Dante said:
Eh? I quoted government guidelines from the NHS website which talked about exactly that.

It wasn't even an argument. It was literally just a copy-and-paste.
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Dante said:
75 to 80% of infections in China were spread in the home.

You might be okay, but you'd be condemning 10s of thousands to die. People like you need to consider your recommendations more seriously. You don't care about innocent lives being lost.
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Dante said:
No I don't.

No they didn't.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-advice/
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You tell one person self isolating with families will cause a lot of deaths and tell them they don't care about the loss of innocent lives, then disagree with someone else when they say the government want people to stay at home with their families over going to hospitals (or living in a tent) even they they say you've been defending the government's policies. It's besides the point of the thread really but you're not making any sense.
 
And from here: https://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/14/news/coronavirus_milano_lombardia_notizie_14_marzo-251269530

"A noi servono mascherine del tipo fpp2 o fpp3 o quelle chirurgiche e invece ci hanno mandato un fazzoletto, un foglio di carta igienica, di Scottex", ha denunciato Gallera ai microfoni di Sky a proposito del materiale sanitario inviato dalla Protezione civile nazionale. Gallera ha spiegato che le mascherine non sono marchiate Cee. "Non voglio fare polemica - ha aggiunto - ma è evidente che non è possibile immaginare di utilizzare queste mascherine se si assistono pazienti infetti".

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"We need masks of the type fpp2 or fpp3 or the surgical ones and instead they sent us a handkerchief, a sheet of toilet paper, Scottex", Gallera reported to Sky's microphones about the health material sent by the National Civil Protection . Gallera explained that the masks are not CE marked. "I don't want to argue - he added - but it is clear that it is not possible to imagine using these masks if we are treating infected patients".
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L'allarme lanciato dall'assessore al Welfare di Regione Lombardia Giulio Gallera lascia poco spazio alla fantasia. "Tra poco arriviamo a un punto di non ritorno - ha sottolineato - Se ogni giorno abbiamo 85 persone in piu' che entrano in terapia intensiva e tendenzialmente ne escono due o tre, perche' il dato e' il 10% e il 15% considerato chi esce e chi muore, tutto questo non e' sufficiente. E' difficile per tutti ma, come noi stiamo facendo un grande sforzo, chiediamo la stessa intensità da tutti".

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"We will soon reach a point of no return - he underlined - If every day we have 85 more people entering intensive care and basically leaving two or three, because the figure is 10% and 15% considered who goes out and who dies, all this is not enough. It is difficult for everyone but, as we are making a great effort, we are asking for the same intensity from everyone ".
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It should be becoming increasingly clear that public health services all around the world are not currently designed to be able to cope with outbreaks of this size. The world is going to change phenomenally.
 
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Wal2Fra said:
France joining Italy in it's lockdown has been announced.

Supermarkets, pharmacies and the tabacs will remain open but all unneccesary stores will be closed, including restaurants, cafes etc...
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It's been dead since Thursday, you would swear that it has been Sunday every day.
 
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