Look at this guy with his cool “I got hair” flex. Bastard.I've still got hair mate, not quite as much as I used to mind
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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I am anything but cool - give it a few more years and it'll be a Bobby Charlton!Look at this guy with his cool “I got hair” flex. Bastard.
I got the bivalent booster this week, jab number 5 for me. The vaccination centre has now been downgraded to a smallish building, and there were only a handful of people there. In fact, the doctor and nurse were standing there waiting for me.
I know anecdotally from talking to people in the village that some people stopped after the first booster, or even after the initial two jabs. I think they only got the vaccine because you were basically banned from everything and anything here if you hadn't completed the initial course. That's no longer the case, so people have just moved on.
I think it's a mistake.
I know anecdotally from talking to people in the village that some people stopped after the first booster, or even after the initial two jabs. I think they only got the vaccine because you were basically banned from everything and anything here if you hadn't completed the initial course. That's no longer the case, so people have just moved on.
I think it's a mistake.
For most people under 50, the risk of severe disease if you've had three doses is very low.
I think we're at the stage where targeting the message, and the provision, towards people who really will get major benefit is the crucial thing. If we need it annually, I'd like it to become routine, like flu boosters etc in the priority groups (and typically offered at the same time/place).
It might be in a couple of years a new variant (or a completely new infectious disease) comes along where we really need everyone to jump into action, but that's a different thing.
In addition to what @jojojo said the vast majority of those will have got (or will get soon) a ‘natural booster’ from catching covid. A lot of them without even realising it, due to asymptomatic illness. The pool of people who’ve never been exposed must be tiny at this stage.
I think I'm in that boat, I had Sputnik and then Moderna as my second dose.
Before the third dose was offered to my age group I caught Covid and have just had a second Covid exposure 2 months back.
Not really kept up with covid since everything’s been open occasionally look at a few topics here and then.
Recently been hearing about the long term damage the virus is capable of with T-Cells and just the immune system in general.
This just conspiracy people or is there some real science to this as it’s interesting also coincides with Scarlett fever and strep in children being more prevalent etc. been away from it for so long i can’t separate the truth from fiction.
Just found it interesting, probs a load of crap.
Recently been hearing about the long term damage the virus is capable of with T-Cells and just the immune system in general.
This just conspiracy people or is there some real science to this as it’s interesting also coincides with Scarlett fever and strep in children being more prevalent etc. been away from it for so long i can’t separate the truth from fiction.
Just found it interesting, probs a load of crap.
Probs a load of crap. And even if there's a grain of truth to then it's most likely a shared feature with a bunch of other viruses we've been living alongside for generations. The uptick in Strep A isn't even that dramatic. It's just happening earlier than usual, which could be for all sorts of reasons. Plus I'm convinced that a lot of the "increase" in resp illnesses in general is because everyone is so much more on edge and bringing sick kids to see doctors when they would have previously let them sweat it out at home. This in turn means much more cases being reported, even if the true incidence isn't much different.
What's interesting about this particular 'conspiracy' is that it's being driven by completely different set of people to the earlier conspiracies about 5G and vaccines etc This time it's a cohort who seem determined to overplay, rather than underplay, the risk the virus poses.
The people who study the stuff say that our immune systems are responding pretty much how they always do. After clearing an infection, the system needs a bit of recovery time, which can make you vulnerable to the next cold in line.
Scarlet fever etc are more prevalent in the sense that we had less of it around when people were in various stages of lockdown and social distancing and that means a lot of kids are catching it for the first time. Some diseases look like we're getting the (didn't catch it in) 20/21, 21/22 hospitalisations on top of the "scheduled" 22/23. But for now at least, it doesn't seem to be more profound than that.
You're no doubt right (and @jojojo). I haven't had Covid as far as I know, I was feeling unwell last week but tested negative.
I'm happy to take the boosters when they're offered to my age group, but I reckon this may be the last one that's available for the rest of this year.
Cheers guys, I try and stay away from most of it now the worlds negative as it is and some of the science papers are written in such a way it means nothing to anyone outside of that particular expertise.
Good on you. I don’t even care about the views or the science Vs her view . I’ll be honest my view is much more basic. We all took a risk to get society moving again. Many people who took the vaccine probably had some fear or questions but we did it. Yet you have a small % of the population who refused to take it but they still enjoyed all the benefits of a vaccinated majority population. It really would have been good if there was long lasting travel ban, entry to events on the unvaccinated
Personally I have an advantage over most people regarding the science, I work in the medical publishing world (in a technical capacity) so have access to a lot of the research and scientific discussions
You’re at an intellectual advantage and must be even more annoyed at people like her. For the average person, many probably had the same questions and fears as your step daughter, only natural. The most rational would probably be “what if I’m the one in a million (figurative stat) who has a bad reaction or whatever “ then you also have others who might have thought eg “has it been thoroughly tested, seems rushed etc” reasonable questions / fears for people not in that industry.
But they used common sense, took the vaccine and within very short space of time we over the worse it. Imagine where we would be if everyone who had the slightest doubt or fear didn’t take it.
Not so sure about in the US, there are large swathes where the take-up rate is still low - mainly rural - I'm expecting some kind of spike again in the near future
I am not an anti-vaxx to begin with but the more info that I have gathered the more this whole thing stinks, I have had the mRNA shots from Pfizer 3x so it's not that I was against it but now when the dust has settled more and more questions have been raised about the nature of these vaccines and also the side affects of them. We were told these vaccines would work and we'll they didn't, when you get vaccinated it makes you immune to that disease this certainly didn't as all of us have seen and many of us have had severe COVID infections after being vaccinated.
The people who didn't trust this were thrown aside as nutters but why would anyone really trust Big Pharma ? Their records aren't show white by any stretch and it caused a huge divide between people, people should've asked questions and not been thrown to the wolves for asking them.
I also got COVID and was absolutely floored by it while my wife who had one jab of Astra Zeneca didn't feel a thing as did my kids. The vaccination of kids and young people who never had any real problems with COVID was just ridiculous and made little sense from a medical point of view.
What I am saying is that the mass hysteria helped to create an environment where no one deared asking about this and the masses all fell in line to get our dose of what was available to help create herd immunity that never came. Something here just doesn't sit right. Hope you and your step daughter are back on good terms though.
That’s just not true. How can you still think this? From the day the first results came out the most important measure of effectiveness has always been how vaccines keep people from getting severe disease (i.e. ending up in hospital, in ICU, or dead)
You say you were floored by covid. Did you end up in hospital? If not, you didn’t get severe covid. That might have happened to you without being vaccinated but you’re definitely not an example of a vaccine failing to be effective.
Whats with the rise of Anti - vax content on twitter? There’s a video of the pfizer CEO being heckled during WEF and a lot of anti vaxxers are retweeting as some sort of ‘told ya’. Can someone please summarise whats the allegation about and whats the truth?
Wouldn’t agree with the bold either as a lot of people in their twenties and thirties also died especially during the delta wave.
Wouldn’t agree with the bold either as a lot of people in their twenties and thirties also died especially during the delta wave.
I get what you are saying but into this we need to take into affect that the medical staff of hospitals were so much better equipped and the knowledge of the disease was much better then when it started so it isn't just that everyone was vaccinated. The virus had also mutated so the difference isn't all down to the vaccination. Many factors to take into the account.
Like I said it's not that I am against it and as a matter of fact many of my close relatives are doctors and nurses who worked in the ICU units during the first wave so I was fully on board. Since then some of them have started doubting this hard line that was taken and the results that are being published.
I would say that I got hit pretty hard, the booster jab affected my heart rhythm and it stopped beating for 4 minutes where I was by the doctors account dead. When I got COVID I was out for 14 days and really sick for about 3 weeks were I spent 4 days in hospital. I still have post COVID issues like irregular heart rhythm, tiredness and head aches that I never got before.
I get that it's a complicated matter and I am pro science but there is something there that doesn't sit right.
Of course people of all age died but the young weren't hit hard by it. My kids age 12 and 15 were vaccinated even after they got COVID. As no one deared to ask questions. Not saying I'm right but this has got me thinking a lot about this.
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The new variants are definitely a big factor in covid being less dangerous now than it was. But the vaccines came out long before they were on the scene and the evidence is absolutely black and white. There was a huge difference in the rates of people ending up hospitalised/dead vs those not vaccinated. And the cohorts being compared get the same medical care otherwise. That difference still persists despite the new variants making covid a lot less deadly.
Sounds like you had a very rough time of it. Sorry to hear that. Although it does vindicate your decision to get vaccinated. If you were that sick despite being vaccinated think how much worse you might have been without it?
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@arthurka One last point. The hopes around herd immunity was based on the original covid. Which was much less transmissible. Vaccines do reduce transmission and you wouldn’t have needed to reduce transmission of the original variant by much to potentially wipe it out. So that was why before and shortly after the vaccines first came out there was a lot of chat about reducing transmission and herd immunity and not just keeping hospitalisations down.
The problem came with newer, much more transmissible variants. Once they came on the scene all we could realistically hope for was using vaccines to reduce the number of people ending up in hospital. Which was successfully achieved. It’s important to be aware that those goalposts were moved by the virus, not the government or big pharma. Thankfully the newer variants also ended up less deadly. Hence we are where we are now.
The problem came with newer, much more transmissible variants. Once they came on the scene all we could realistically hope for was using vaccines to reduce the number of people ending up in hospital. Which was successfully achieved. It’s important to be aware that those goalposts were moved by the virus, not the government or big pharma. Thankfully the newer variants also ended up less deadly. Hence we are where we are now.
The thing is I will never know and that might be good but in general I like to think just for the statistics of this that I would've survived. But who knows.. just so you know I am fully pro vaxx we vaccinate our kids for all the stuff available and I fully appreciate that our standard of life is by large thanks to progresses made in science and medicine. @Pogue Mahone thanks for the info.
No worries. And I hoped I didn’t come across as judgey. When you’ve gone through what you went through it’s natural to ask questions and it bothers me that people who ask questions are often immediately dismissed as tinfoil hat wearing cranks. That’s not fair at all.
In terms of ICU patients we don't really have any new treatments that have helped us treat covid patients. The main difference is that fewer people end up in the ICU than before. That could be due to antiviral therapy, vaccines, mutations becoming less severe or those being susceptible to get severe pulmonary infections from covid already being infected, but once they end up in the ICU we don't do much differently now than in december of 2020.
We're fine, she understood why I did it, she's an adult, she can make her own decisions just as I can make mine
Well your first mistake is in believing that being vaccinated makes you immune, that isn't and has never been the case with any vaccine.
The thing about the rMNA stuff is everybody thinks that is something that has been invented recently, actually rMNA research and testing has been going on for years, what they actually did was modify it from something that already existed, was it all rushed, no question but you can't really blame them, this disease had the potential to be as bad as the 1918 flu and some of the measures taken helped prevent that
It's fair to ask questions, I'm not saying that's the case here, but if you start basing them on crackpot conspiracy theories from social media or right-wing media then you've only yourself to blame, some of the stuff that is/has been spouted defies basic common sense and people take it as gospel and then debase the reputation of people who have forgotten more about this stuff than we'll ever know
Not at all didn't think it at all, just wondering what mistakes might have been done. Great to hear you and your family are well intact.
Nice to hear, I guess we will hear what will come out of this.
Not at all, I like to hear all sides. Love to hear all sides of the stories. You are well in order and I didn't think anything bad of it.
Same here, you can agree/disagree and be civil about it,not everything should be like WW3!
Had my 4th vax yesterday, felt fkin awful but glad I did it
Elon Musk.. check the Elon Twitter thread. Since his taken over Twitter most people have noticed a lot of “alt” stuff. Some of it was good, but for the most part it’s just anti vaxxers and anti migrant people with literally no real life credentials getting front page. If Google was like this we’d all be screwed especially when it comes to online shopping.
Not an expert on vaccines there are other here who know more about it from a technical side.
As an numpty on the issue. One of my main reasons for trusting it was 1) we do live in a modern world, it was mostly about removing a lot of the paperwork that goes into getting stuff approved. 2) This might sound crude, but if the governments didn’t trust it they wouldn’t have made their entire population take it. Because economically the risk of a long term screwed up population is not in their interest.
If there was doubt we would not have seen the mass hoarding that we saw by 1st world countries. They, I believe, would have first sent it to 3rd world countries. Of course it would have been under the guise of a moral cause; eg 3rd world countries don’t have the hospitals to deal with patients etc.
Simple and dumb, but the above 2 are pretty much my thought process to trusting the vaccine.
There's nothing dumb about what you've said, it's a valid and reasonable take, on the hoarding issues I will say this, any governments first responsibility is to it's own citizens, harsh maybe on other countries but that's the reality and the way it should be
My take on that is that most governments shouldn't be trusted with walking your dog but I get were you are coming from.
But you do trust them though. You don't have your own army, you haven't sourced your own energy resource, you haven't built your own hospital, you don't have your own school. You trust and rely on the state for all of that, and more.
Unless someone lives in a mud hut about to die any second from cholera then the whole 'distrust of state' is as meaningful as someones 'tribe' on Grindr.
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You don't at all mate and have provided a consistent and valuable shelter from the "worry" storm that I've felt since this all began (in fact I'd call it a public service).
I don't think you can underestimate the positive mental impact that you (and others who helped inform us plebs) had on members who had/have anxiety around COVID and the Vaccines.
This was the only place that I used for information throughout the complete saga (which was great for my mental health) because I felt safe that the people providing the information were rational and informed (which also allowed me to spread your information and avoid hysteria from my closest friends and family).
That’s very nice of you to say. Thanks
No problem at all, I think it's important to recognize people who make positive contributions to society and provide informed opinions that can assist in fighting the tide of uninformed opinions.
I know there is a worry associated with being "the voice of reason" as it can come across as preachy or judgy or whatever but when it comes to something like a global pandemic I think it's essential that our best and brightest provide the rest of us with the ammunition we need to fight the fear (usually due to ignorance) that radicalizes otherwise "normal" people.
Ironically one of the few things Boris did right was secure the vaccines for the country and in the US, Trump provided the money for the intial research surge
Had a rough few days with the old rona. Night sweats and loss of smell and taste being the most annoying of the symptoms. For those whose sense of taste/smell were affected, how long did they take to come back to normal? I can still vaguely taste and smell things but probably only 10% of what I could before.