SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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It was strictly enforced, yes. Your movements were very limited and you had to fill in a form to carry with you every single time you left the house. There were lots of police around and they stopped you and checked your documents, even when you were on foot.
That’s what I thought. I remember your posts at the time
Yeah, we had Army helicopters overhead looking for people outside and directing police to them. It was no joke for that first few months.
Exactly what I thought too. I remember the news, I remember the coverage, I don’t think any of us will forget the images of people in their apartment balconies etc and dead streets of Rome, Milan, and other parts of Italy.
So I don’t really get why @horsechoker was insinuation that the lockdown in Italy wasn’t followed or enforced.
Also should be noted, China never had a nation wide lockdown as strict as Wuhan in other parts of China, it’s strict lockdowns were mostly regional. So yes the numbers for China’s first wave and the way its flattened since are very odd and most likely BS.
I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist to work out that china’s numbers are inaccurate at best
What are the chances those with AZ will be allowed into the US?
For anyone with experience/clearer on the current rules - I'm heading to Berlin for a few days on Friday. Double vaccinated a while ago. From what I can find online, all I need is proof of this with no PCR testing going either way, is that correct?
Much appreciated in advance!
Much appreciated in advance!
Do you mean people who can't be vaccinated because they have an autoimmune condition?
Over 12's are being vaccinated in many countries and the US and elsewhere are planning to vaccinate the over 5's when Phizer is approved for that age group before the end of the year. And it is important as HIT requires a certain % of the whole population to be vaccinated and not just adults.
There are very few real grounds for a medical exemption and I'm sure each country can work that out. Internationally I doubt medical exemptions will be accepted. Vaccinated or you aren't allowed in will be the rule.
There are bound to be logistic issues. So what? They can be sorted out.
People in trials of non or yet to be approved vaccines should either be granted special approval or allowed to take an approved vaccine.
Merely paying tax doesn't give you the right to do what you like. Drinkers and smokers are restricted and taxed to partially compensate for the burden they place on medical facilities. So should the unvaccinated. Increased Medicare levy, restricted employment opportunities and travel restrictions at the very least. And not just for covid.
What is your point in relation to covid passports?
And thankfully I no longer live in the UK.
What you call a strict lickdown in italy is a breeze compared with the lockdown type in wuhan. Also the control type with subsequent outbreaks.
More astringent, people following the rules more and way way way more resources dumped on tracking in an astonishing fast reaction than any other country in the world could ever dream off
Me and the kid are going to Manchester early december. We are both doubblejabbed, traveling from Sweden. As the rules are now, do we need to get tested before traveling?
Yes.
Okay, but that is already starting to happen [1].
Ah yes, let us ignore industry experts because you think they can be sorted out.
Also let us introduce a policy which discriminates against people with medical exemptions?Based on what evidence?
Not doing anything illegal gives you all societal benefits with which you are applicable. This is just a fact. Why you keep debating this I am not sure.
Since you are so in favour of Covid passports, please comment on whether we should also introduce alcohol passports and other related health passports and would they equally have your full support.
So stop talking about the UK with regards to its politics, legislation and people when it no longer affects you?
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For what it's worth there has been virtually no opposition to the extended Covid Pass in Italy, a country where ignoring rules is seen as a national sport. Everybody realises it's for the societal good.
Whether the majority supports something or not is no indication of whether it is a good policy. For example, in the UK, ~50% of people supported Brexit in the referendum which has to date, caused nothing but problems.
No, but when those who think its a bad policy also think the earth is flat and George Bush blew up the twin towers, you're on safer ground.
Ah right, so no one can critique the policy without you thinking they have extreme views. This is despite the fact that you have yet to raise any counter-arguments to the issues raised. Honestly, that sort of mindset is no different to the very people that you mock.
There is really very little to critique about the concept of a Green Pass. The science behind the vaccine is overwhelming and policy is now moving away from encouraging people to overcome doubts and get the vaccine, its becoming about making sure the hardline anti-vaxxers can't be in a position to compromise other people as we get back to normal life.
So once again, you fail to address any of the issues raised.
I'm not really sure what issues you are talking about.
https://apply.joinsherpa.com/travel...inated=true&language=en-US&affiliateId=airbnb
stick your dates in and it’ll give you a fair idea. Things are subject to change though so check closer to your travel date to ensure nothing has changed
Thanks man.
In a democracy, a referendum for this type of measures should be organised... Not sure if "everybody" will vote yes.
I’ve no idea what that’s a photograph of but it isn’t a “brand new covid detention centre”. There does seem to be plans for something along those lines in Victoria but they’ve only just started digging.
Is sharing fake news a thread bannable offence?
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Even if it's not I think an exception should be made in this case.
You are absolutely right.
Let's say there are two type of extremists
(1) those who believe Covid does not exist, and
(2) those obsessed with the restriction of fundamental freedoms including the freedom of thought
I am also perfectly fine.
Looks like you struggle with people who do not share your views
I am also perfectly fine.
Looks like you struggle with people who do not share your views
Ironic that the two people you quote frequently disagree with each other on this topic. Differing opinions is fine. Blatant shit stirring is tedious.
I am also perfectly fine.
Looks like you struggle with people who do not share your views
If your views are comparisons between the Covid pandemic and Nazi Germany then you should feck off to be fair.
Feck off I never disagree with you.
A referendum would take years, time which we do not have. The fact is we vote in governments to make these tough, time sensitive decisions for us. If we don't like what they do we vote them out.
At the moment the Covid Pass is proving a big vote winner and it's only increasing. 74% fully support it, up from 49% when it was first announced, and 63% think vaccination should be mandatory.
I'll be in Manchester from Friday noon till Sunday noon (end of October), so I'll definitely need to book and pay for a Day 2 test but if I set my timing at Day 2 in the afternoon, I don't have to actually take the tests?
(Don't see what's the point either way since I'll be home before I get the results but don't wanna be fined afterwards or something like that)
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So not only were the original claims exaggerated but at one point, they may have thought that 1 in 2 people believed the Earth was flat.
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So not only were the original claims exaggerated but at one point, they may have thought that 1 in 2 people believed the Earth was flat.
Personally I don’t think they’ll chase you for that
also I think I read that rules are due to change again in October so keep an eye out
They like underage Scandinavians?
I think you mean phobe rather than phile
Fcuking hell. That’s not how that works. An Audiophile is not sexually attracted to young Bluetooth speakers.
Cheers. I thought the rules were indeed changing as from October 4th (e.g. I don't need a pre-departure PCR test anymore).
Just don't want it to be more of a hassle than what's necessary but we'll see how it goes. Personally feel like a pre-departure PCR might even be more useful than a Day 2 test in England when I could have infected dozens of people in pubs/stadium/plane.
Somewhat frequent reminder that it would be great if everyone stopped lining the pockets of people profiting off Covid.
I’ve used Testing For All a bunch. They’re not for profit.
Testing For All
I’ve used Testing For All a bunch. They’re not for profit.
Testing For All
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So not only were the original claims exaggerated but at one point, they may have thought that 1 in 2 people believed the Earth was flat.
I think you need to learn the difference between 'fully support' and 'oppose'. 74% fully support does not mean 26% oppose.
Costs £48 per Day 2 test?