The beaches lead headlines. But they’re not really a problem. It’s the public toilets nearby that may or may not be airtight and grotty that are the worry to be honest.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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The beaches lead headlines. But they’re not really a problem. It’s the public toilets nearby that may or may not be airtight and grotty that are the worry to be honest.
To be fair, this time last year we only had vanilla Covid to contend with. It was before the Kent variant was discovered and many months before Delta, which is apparently more transmissible outdoors. Personally I used to avoid places with that many people years before Covid was a thing, I can't see how it could possibly be enjoyable out there!
Thanks. Definitely not 15 minutes, went to the shop and back that took 5 at most.
If that's the case it may work, as I visited parents over weekend and caught the train back Sunday evening. It does add to 11 days but that is only time I could have been pinged. Ah well, work from home anyway so not end of the world, but still frustrating.
This is exactly what my wife worked it out to be - travelling on a train to her mother's for the first time since 2020. We know loads of people who have said just as you did originally - "I only popped into the shops for five minutes, so I'm ignoring it" - failing to understand the 10 full days thing, and then deciding to ignore the app.
My sister went into an empty chemist and got pinged later that day
Where has this been said?
I’d suggest there might be a lot of people that don’t care enough to bother testing since Monday? It’ll be interesting to see where it goes from here. I wonder whether official cases will stay similar or dip, yet hospitalisations increase comparatively, due to the under reporting of cases.
I think so too, a lot of people have stopped caring now. Lots haven't obviously, but it would explain what's happening.
The new Covid case numbers we are currently seeing are not a reflection of the relaxation of the Covid restrictions.
As the scientific community keep reminding us, there is a 2 to 3 week lag.
So anyone who thinks that the worst is over is very much mistaken.
The train does make most sense given how busy it was, an hour long and I was stood for most of it so it feels like that's where it will have happened. Shops, the day fits bit no way was I near anyone for long enough.
Hah! That's rough. Timing issue on the app maybe? My other thought was maybe a neighbour has been pinged and as I'm in a terraced house the phones just been too close to each other.
Not the end of the world anyway, just need to arrange home shopping which never bothered with before.
I would have thought so, according to government dashboard testing numbers about the same - just over a million a day and 7 day average holding steady.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
According to feedback from doctors we anticipated these testing numbers to go up a lot, a significant number if not the vast majority patients seen in GP clinics and children's emergency dept with clear symptoms not having gone/done a PCR test
Reports from Australia of people catching Covid from "fleeting outdoor contact" or similar. @Wibble posted something a while back about someone catching it after only briefly meeting someone outside a cafe.
Hopefully it's a rarity, or maybe a misinterpretation of a course of events in that particular case, otherwise we're in trouble.
So nothing scientific to say it’s more transmissbable outdoors? Just reports?
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-the-risk-of-catching-coronavirus-outdoors/a-56792936
There’s been a lot of studies around outdoor transmission, and I don’t think we need to worry about outdoor transmission. It’s hysteria at best and social anxiety at its worst. Like last year, where beaches were touted as COVID hotspots as there was a lot of people there in the summer and we didn’t see any spikes in cases, I don’t think that with a heavily vaccinated population were going to suddenly see anything revolutionary different than what we saw last year.
I hope you're right. I'm not sure there were any similar follow up stories like the one I remember, but the big fan zone type events over the Euros here seemed to result in thousands of cases, according to reports.
From what little I know in the UK, her details would stay on record until midnight, then a positive person could have used th chemist an hour later and sis would get pinged
The Cafe infection was thought to be due to an infected person walking past someone sitting at an outside table but there is a chance that they stood near each other when queuing to pay.
We had a strong suspicion of transmission occurring in an outside car park but again not 100% confirmed.
Transmission involving kids is seemingly higher than previous variants and hospitalisations seem to be more evenly spread amongst age groups.
What seems very clear is that Delta is far more infectious as the level of lockdown that worked for other variants isn't enough to control Delta.
Which is hardly surprising considering Aus have prioritised vaccinating those age groups most at risk of hospitalisation. That’s exactly what you’d hope to see if the vaccine was doing it’s job.
Very different environments to normal walking around outdoors or even sitting on a beach though. Higher people density, more people hugging strangers, more beer, more crowded loos etc at halftime, more people mingling around between groups. Several hours of proximity and often quite enclosed spaces often with some kind of tent roof.
If you're a non-smoker, the cigarette smoke analogy isn't a bad one. If you're close enough for long enough you'll be aware of someone smoking. If you're indoors in a poorly ventilated space you'll smell it as soon as you enter the area. Outdoors, unless it's something like a covered smoking area outside a pub, you won't really notice it unless they're really close - which usually means sat at your table or on your beach blanket.
Except we haven't anywhere near vaccinated all older people. The worry is that Delta affect younger people more than other variants. However, the sample size is small and as you say it could be a result of what vaccination we have done is concentrated in the over 50s and 60s. Fingers crossed it is the later.
We've seen in practice it's even longer. 5 to 6 weeks before you really see a surge in cases after an event.
You’d hope so. I’d imagine vaccination + the fact that many older people are more ”careful” than younger are behind those hospitalisation figures.
On a side note, I know you guys were originally talking about open borders again mid 2022, so we assumed our Aussie wedding guests would be fine for the new date, but what do you reckon? That’s surely still the plan right? Or are there murmurs otherwise?
Yes. Good point.
Thats not exactly true. We saw a 500% rise in cases 1 week after night clubs were opened in NL and 3 weeks after they closed again the numbers are steadily falling. Facts and stats are on the net.
My mum disagrees with them and encourages them to have them for their kids but they’re so stubborn and think they’re completely correct in everything they say. They’ve got a third child due in October and have said they won’t be giving them any vaccines.
We’ve all been vaccinated as kids which is great, and I’ll continue to get them in the future.
I strongly suspect that we will open up once all adults have been offered a vaccination , so late 2021 or early 2022
That’s good, fingers crossed there.
Just popped into say I have now had both of my vaccinations 
touchwood all will be good in the future.
touchwood all will be good in the future.all kicked off in Sydney yesterday with the anti lockdown protests
some wanker punched a police horse ffs
some wanker punched a police horse ffs
Hmm, not sure how much impact this is currently having on UK numbers, but it's certainly something that needs fixing.
Apparently to avoid the problem of counting the same infection multiple times in the data, the UK dashboard doesn't count the same person testing positive twice. Even if the first positive was 3 months or more ago.
It may not be a huge difference if the "only 1% of cases are reinfections" holds true. Not right though.
Apparently to avoid the problem of counting the same infection multiple times in the data, the UK dashboard doesn't count the same person testing positive twice. Even if the first positive was 3 months or more ago.
It may not be a huge difference if the "only 1% of cases are reinfections" holds true. Not right though.
Was it barking?
I don't think it makes much difference to the headline numbers - it's just a quirk. But like the quirk that was counting any death any time after a positive test as a covid death, it needs an update. If only because it might mean more on some of the local and age demographic numbers.
Big fall in cases over last few days.
Good to see numbers dropping, but its a rather heavy fall very quickly?
Similar happened in India. Might be characteristic of the Delta variant?
Monday numbers are always a bit lower. It’s definitely falling though which was expected as the big numbers were credited to the Euros which finished a couple of weeks ago now. The real litmus test is in a couple of weeks time when we see the effects of “Freedom Day”
I think we still need to give it a few weeks to see the impact of totally opening up, I would guess that it will rise again.
Numbers are dropping because all schools are now closed.
The number of tests being carried out is down by 4.9 percent over the past 7 days. Less testing could mean that fewer infections are being picked up.