Nice way to back out of wanting your colleagues safe at the expense of people potentially more likely to die.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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I think the role of the JCVI is to prioritise based on actual evidence of risk rather than putting value judgments on jobs. That said, I doubt they'd have the nerve to prioritise restaurant staff over first responders - the PR hit would be too bad and it's better to close the venues instead. Nor do I think they'll actually go with prioritising men over women, if only because a lot of women have hidden second "jobs" as family carers etc, or are only at lower risk because their job has been curtailed in the past year (like teachers who didn't have face to face students for months).
Certainly though I won't be surprised to see them throw some new priority weightings into the schedule. Over 50s being prioritised based on job risk or key worker status being placed ahead of a more simplistic pure age based model that drives the schedule now, and would put the over 60s ahead of them. And as I type that, I see my place slithering back even further in the vaccine queue
Eh? By pointing out the figures are misleading? A few of my colleagues have died over the past 12 months so forgive me in wanting to keep those at daily risk of infection protected. I'll bite my tongue with the rest of what I was going to say and put it down to naivety on your part.
I think the role of the JCVI is to prioritise based on actual evidence of risk rather than putting value judgments on jobs. That said, I doubt they'd have the nerve to prioritise restaurant staff over first responders - the PR hit would be too bad and it's better to close the venues instead. Nor do I think they'll actually go with prioritising men over women, if only because a lot of women have hidden second "jobs" as family carers etc, or are only at lower risk because their job has been curtailed in the past year (like teachers who didn't have face to face students for months).
Certainly though I won't be surprised to see them throw some new priority weightings into the schedule. Over 50s being prioritised based on job risk or key worker status being placed ahead of a more simplistic pure age based model that drives the schedule now, and would put the over 60s ahead of them. And as I type that, I see my place slithering back even further in the vaccine queue
Reading the article I'm not sure the figures are actually that worthwhile when you look at what they haven't actually considered.
Lots of people in lots of fields have. Being selfish is human nature. Put it down to whatever you want. You’re acting in self interest. People working in restaurant’s etc are obviously at lower risk now. But if construction workers for example were dying in greater numbers than police then giving them the vaccine first isn’t worth ‘giving up’.
None of what you say changes the fact those figures are misleading by the way. Have you actually read the article yet?
And RE acting in self interest I've explained that's not the case already as I personally wouldn't receive it.
Yes I have. Which is why I caveated what I said with if. You displayed no nuance. Just emergency services have to get them before those other occupations. If emergency services are at greater risk then they should be higher up the list. You’re the one whining if potentially more at risk people get it before you and your mates.
Again, you don't seem to be either reading things properly or digesting them. The figures in the article are wrong and don't take into consideration a number of key things that you would consider before completing a risk assessment based on profession. Secondly I've said several times I personally would not want the vaccine ahead of other colleagues so the self preservation guff is rather short sighted.
South Africa’s richest man (it were not counting Musk as SA) received the vaccine in Switzerland somewhere, where he has citizenship (& owns a large share of a private hospital group iirc). Quite a bit of a controversy, especially in Switzerland. What money can’t get you, huh!
No, you aren’t reading or digesting things correctly. I said IF they are more at risk, then being higher up the priority list is understandable. If they aren’t, they shouldn’t be. All you have done is threaten to throw your toys out of the pram if you and your friends get pushed down, regardless of whether you’re less likely to die or not.
If you read the article you'd see that they aren't at more risk given how the figures have been produced.
Just sorted that IF out for you.
But you have provided no data that emergency services (police) are more at risk than some of those professions. So, that IF, still exists. And you’re still looking to throw a pity party fuelled by self interest.
The person incharge of the distribution of the vaccine seems to know the figures and wants to ensure emergency services receive it.
You can't throw any type of party at the moment unfortunately. I should know. You'll have to get some new material im afraid!
Then no need for you to get your knickers in a twist. You and your friends will be safe soon.
I’m sorry you aren’t getting the attention police officers crave.
Looking forward to spending summer indoors
This guy's got the right idea
I think it will be towards autumn before we see any real changes unfortunately.
No, it’s just clear what your agenda is. You don’t mind if people potentially more at risk die so long as you and your friends are safe and you get the kudos you crave. As evidenced by your continual whining about teachers.And so the mask slips
You're just making yourself look rather silly.
The irony here is very strong as you're the one clearly being driven by whatever odd little agenda you have going.
You can keep prodding and poking but I won't bite don't worry. You're making enough of a show out of yourself as it is.
No, I’m not crying about not getting my vaccine first. You are. feck who dies, they’re only construction workers.
The only person whining crying and getting all worked up here is you. The very fact you've even brought up teachers because I mentioned them a few weeks ago shows you've got an agenda.
It's also strange to take bizarre personal swipes at people on the internet when you know nothing about them.
I don't think it'll get to that stage.
You displayed your opinion for all to see. feck anyone else, as long as you and yours are looked after. You were the one ‘giving up’, not me.
Again it's rather silly to make sweeping statements about people you don't know. You'll end up looking daft again.
It’s your post. It’s there for all to see. If it was proven you were more likely to die working in construction than being a police officer, would them getting the vaccine first make you give up?
You guys need to agree to disagree (something I’m absolutely terrible at but at least I’m good at recognising it!)
No not at all. I've worked throughout the pandemic and will continue to do so.
He's obviously bored as schools are closed. Understandable.
Then why say you’d give up if they got the vaccine first with no data showing those groups aren’t at greater risk?
Gives me more time to go and cheer the police so you can feel as important as you want to.
Re vaccine prioritisation it’s a bit more complicated than prioritising the highest death rate, then working down from there. It’s actually extremely complex from an ethical positions.
In Ireland they give a bit of an explanation and there’s lots of factors to consider. For example, restaurant workers might catch a lot of covid but the cost to society of them being off work sick is a lot lower than losing first responders.
In Ireland they give a bit of an explanation and there’s lots of factors to consider. For example, restaurant workers might catch a lot of covid but the cost to society of them being off work sick is a lot lower than losing first responders.
Please wear a mask and work the cheering into your daily exercise. Would hate to have to issue you a fixed penalty notice.
You are exactly right
Which is all fair and contains nuance. Something our friend is incapable of. A blanket, ‘me and my friends have to get it first’, is ridiculous.
Can’t answer. Thought so.
Much like your dialogue in this exchange. Cba feeding the troll anymore.
Please stop with the circular arguments.
It's pointless, tedious and I'll start deleting the posts so just stop.
It's pointless, tedious and I'll start deleting the posts so just stop.
Why are you quoting me saying something I didn't say?
See above.