What's your opinion on Piers Morgan going on holiday in December and gloating about dodging quarentine in August? Only asking because you don't seem to be as quick to condemn him as you are others, I'm assuming it's because his views align closer to yours!
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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That isn’t how deaths are recorded. You write the cause of death on the death certificate. When someone is eaten by a crocodile they don’t check their health records and write down COVID. For all sorts of reasons. They have to have both died within 28 days of Covid and had that as their suspected cause of death, primary or secondary. Not just the first part. Why don’t you ask someone who actually does it for a living.
It’s wild that you’re calling people sheep for buying into scaremongering, while you’re here buying into a different kind of scaremongering. It is just scaremongering from a source that you prefer based on an ideology you’re more aligned to. It’s easier to see it in others than yourself.
Here you’re just parroting a line that comes from people you share some beliefs with. You’ve also just regurgitated it without really critically analysing the idea. Like the crocodiles. The maths doesn’t add up, ultimately.
If you believe a lot more people will test positive because a lot more tests are freely available, then you believe there is a lot of undetected infection out there currently. That is the single biggest factor in community transmission. If you can better identify the level and source of transmission, you can better control it. If you believe that the reason they would come forward for tests is the financial incentive, which is tied exclusively to an isolation period, then you believe that more infected people would remove themselves from community transmission chains. That would improve the weakest part of our virus response.
If those two things happened then yes case numbers would go up in the short term. But case numbers would fall more quickly and more sustainedly over the medium term, and so the media’s window for fear mongering would be greatly shortened, and their dramatic peaks would be less common and less impactful. Not only would it lead to fewer total infections, which brings with it fewer hospitalisations and deaths, but it would reduce the proportion of people that get seriously ill. The earlier people get tested, the earlier they can go to hospital and get appropriate treatment, and the better their health outcomes are on average.
So it wouldn’t be a very good way to boost the numbers. That’s not at all in keeping with the epidemiology of this pandemic. I agree with you that the media like dramatic headlines, but the net impact of this policy would have been fewer opportunities of them, not more. Even the most sceptical epidemiologists you’re a fan of would confirm the basic facts of how transmission takes place, and the role test and isolate plays in mitigating that. They might choose to focus on other aspects of the pandemic but they wouldn’t argue against that basic truth.
Maybe you’re a sheep. Or maybe there’s a better way to describe people that focus on particular angles of a story that are more important to them, and recycle parts of stories from sources they trust. I’d just call that being a human.
What a weird post. I think Piers Morgan is an attention-seeking twat and have zero interest in what he says about anything. What’s that got to do with death certs?
Why are people still going on about anything on death certificates being put down on COVID? We’ve locked society down, made the world safer (less people in work, less people on roads, less chance of catching illnesses) and excess deaths are still above the official Corona numbers. How do you explain that @Dancfc.
Also who the feck cares about Piers Morgan? But it is clear that one side of the “debate” has spread more untruths than others - hence TalkRadio being taken down for spreading mistruths; Toby Young deleting all past tweets and that Sikora idiot being completely discreditedz
Also who the feck cares about Piers Morgan? But it is clear that one side of the “debate” has spread more untruths than others - hence TalkRadio being taken down for spreading mistruths; Toby Young deleting all past tweets and that Sikora idiot being completely discreditedz
Try explaining that to the Qpricks all over the world,
The advice I've read to college athletes (based on heart studies) even those who are feeling ok/normal is keep your heart rate low and don't get out of breath. So basically keep it gentle. The risk appears to be that you can be sicker than you feel and you'll pay for it later. So no racing, feeling the burn, or pushing through.
It particularly applies if you've had symptoms (even mild ones) but you are now feeling ok again. Build up slowly, and don't ignore your body's warnings - heart rate, breathlessness, dizziness etc.
If you've got a pulse oximeter use that to let you know if you should be exercising at all - if yours is below 95% at any stage then you need to rest irrespective of how you feel.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.m4721
Has some details, if you're interested in the background briefing the doctors/physios are getting.
It was a magnificent tangent and he also yeld at you for some strange reason.
And why people think that doctors would put Covid as the cause of death if they don't believe that it is the case? What is the rational behind that theory beyond the Qanon conspiracies?
Many thanks. I think I’ll sack it off as I’m not exactly in athletic condition at the moment, I was working to get back there but will take a few weeks off. We have an oximeter actually and so far the lowest reading is 97 so all well so far
Oh, didn't you know? We get a bonus for every Covid death recorded in our hospital! I'm rolling in it mate, just bought myself a Ferrari and all.It was a magnificent tangent and he also yeld at you for some strange reason.
And why people think that doctors would put Covid as the cause of death if they don't believe that it is the case? What is the rational behind that theory beyond the Qanon conspiracies?
Oops!Shhhhh! You’re not allowed to tell them that!
Just a general tip for people who catch Covid if they want to make one preparation in case of critical illness. Find a comfortable position while in a prone position and try to make yourself comfortable lying on your belly for longer periods.
We've had numerous patients who we had to intubate and put on ventilators because they couldn't or wouldn't prone while awake due to discomfort, joint pain or neck pain.
We've had numerous patients who we had to intubate and put on ventilators because they couldn't or wouldn't prone while awake due to discomfort, joint pain or neck pain.
That’s my biggest fear about catching severe covid. I’ve a bad back so proning would be absolutely horrendous. Would need one of those massage beds with a hole cut in it. Even then it would be a nightmare.
Great tip though!
Sorry, took me a while to understand what the hole was for.
I'm portraying it for what it is - sensational, lazy journalism, and I'm calling it out. No more, no less.
Suggesting people's children are more likely to die of coronavirus is a huge statement to make. Maybe you're not a parent, but I can assure you that's a frightening prospect, especially for those who have to send their kids to school. For many, anxiety levels are already through the roof and parenting is hard at the best of times. I believe that before you make that statement, you should check your facts. I suspect relevant statistics were readily available, if they asked for them. Even I can see that the opinion of a single nurse, experienced or otherwise, isn't reliable enough. I'm surprised that editorially, there are not more checks and balances.
My opinion, is that in the current climate we need less, not more misinformation. Well resourced, well regarded organisations like the BBC should be at the forefront of that and held to a higher standard. They should try to avoid creeping into the territory the other elements of the media seem to be occupying.
You're right, it is one example. My concern is that it's indicative of an approach taken by the journalists in question, trying to ensure they're competing with organisations with less scruples and with different, mainly commercial motivations.
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I agree. I don't, personally believe that the BBC are actively trying to scare or mislead anyone but, as I said above, that doesn't stop the information being scary or misleading, so the ultimate outcome is the same.
This issue hits a nerve with me, as a parent to a young child. Life is very, very stressful at the moment, and to be honest, parenting is really hard anyway. We're coping well but there will be millions who aren't. Dropping this bombshell, based on the opinion of a single person, which turned out to be incorrect, just isn't good enough. That has the potential to really impact someone already on the edge.
I have a major problem with the modern media phenomenon of report first, regardless of accuracy and put it right later if you need to. It used to be limited to shitty red top papers, making accusations against celebs on the front page, and then retracting it on page 14 a week later, but it now seems to be common place across the board.
I appreciate the BBC has a tough job, trying to balance both sides of an argument, but that's their remit and the basis upon which they get funding. I won't labour the point because I'm going round in circles, but my major issues is that if even the BBC is creeping into the realms of "being first is more important that being accurate" that's a disaster.
This looks good. Seems like also vaccine helps a lot with the infection and not just the disease.
Be nice to take the kids round the grandparents
Well 1 it was a genuine a question because 2, in my like of work I also had to wear masks for extended amount of hours and it didn't particularly bother me or the rest of staff. Not that bizarre of a question at all.
Granted physical work makes it harder I guess.
I’ve no problem with it, physically, but can’t wait to ditch the fecking thing for psychological/social reasons. It’s brought home how important it is to see all of someone’s face for normal social interactions. You lose so much by not being able to smile when interacting with strangers. It’s horrible.
It’s also made me rethink niqabs. They’re much crueller than I realised. Maybe not a discussion for this thread though!
Whilst I 99.999% agree on the masks, I had to go see a child sexual abuse victim who suffers from selective mutism to the point she had never even spoken to her own grandmother. Her being able to “hide” behind a mask meant we were able to get 2 words out of her which was seen as a big success.
I had never considered the positives before this!
You don't think they've a place going forward? Personally I'm hopeful they don't disappear completely because going into London on the tube and on some of the roads in the city I'd favour a mask.
I wonder if masks have helped unsuspecting halitosis sufferers to take note.
I usually sleep on my belly so sorted. Fingers crossed I never need to
I've found it difficult for other reasons - although I'm not deaf, I didn't realise how much I rely on looking at people's lips moving when they're speaking in Italian and I'm trying to translate what they're saying. The lady in the Post Office just shouts at me, which is funny because it's what Brits often do when they're trying to explain something to someone who doesn't speak English.
My vague understanding is that the ultra-orthodox (Haredim) are basically one branch within the broader orthodox fold (in very simple terms there is a traditionalist v modernist divide among the orthodox). But since they represent the stereotypical image that instantly comes to mind when we hear the term “Orthodox Jews” it is likely often the case that references to “Orthodox Jews” are actually aimed at them.
Certainly every reference I’ve seen in Israeli media regarding the current COVID issue has referenced the “ultra-orthodox“, but perhaps in an informal context “orthodox” is thought sufficient.
I've deleted it.
It really is, I still smile at strangers passing through shop doors ect and then as you walk off you think, I must have looked like a right weirdo then with my mask covering the smile.
But fear not, another branch at the company I work for has made a new transparent reusable mask with ceramic filters (still in the testing phase mind but they seem pretty confident about it)
Was Matt Lucas fully booked ?
The glory?
If anyone doubts that employers (in this case the government) discourage use of the covid tracking app, and effectively encourage people to ignore the rules on self isolation take a look at:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-mass-covid-outbreak-at-top-government-agency
If that's what happens in a major government office, it's not that hard to guess that it's also happening in lots of other smaller, less regulated workplaces. Or indeed to guess what's happening to the army of zero hours contract workers out there. It's not all about selfish individualism.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-mass-covid-outbreak-at-top-government-agency
If that's what happens in a major government office, it's not that hard to guess that it's also happening in lots of other smaller, less regulated workplaces. Or indeed to guess what's happening to the army of zero hours contract workers out there. It's not all about selfish individualism.
More covidiot protests in Denmark.
I really really really didn't appreciate 2019 enough.