Is there any concrete evidence to suggest the "uk strain" originated here or was detected here?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Is there any concrete evidence to suggest the "uk strain" originated here or was detected here?
Ouch, the only true way to contain this is literally zero tolerance at the borders. Morally difficult mind.
All of our cases since the early days have been the virus escaping from quarantine in one way or another. We are now further reducing arrivals and ramping up procedures surrounding quarantine.
So basically in US everyday dies as much people than in China in the whole pandemic and gets infected as 4 times as china in the whole pandemic. With 5 times less population
Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine appears effective against mutation
"Pfizer Inc and BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine appeared to work against a key mutation in the highly transmissible new variants of the coronavirus discovered in the UK and South Africa, according to a laboratory study conducted by the U.S. drugmaker.
The not-yet peer reviewed study by Pfizer and scientists from the University of Texas Medical Branch indicated the vaccine was effective in neutralizing virus with the so-called N501Y mutation of the spike protein."
Tests are ongoing for additional mutations found in the new variants.
"Pfizer Inc and BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine appeared to work against a key mutation in the highly transmissible new variants of the coronavirus discovered in the UK and South Africa, according to a laboratory study conducted by the U.S. drugmaker.
The not-yet peer reviewed study by Pfizer and scientists from the University of Texas Medical Branch indicated the vaccine was effective in neutralizing virus with the so-called N501Y mutation of the spike protein."
Tests are ongoing for additional mutations found in the new variants.
This pleases me a lot. Great work Sir.
It self aggrandising as it applies to me too... but your effort today, really could be the difference in a kids life. Ordinarily it’s quite hard to move the needle. But a kid getting kit now, could ensure that they don’t fall behind. The difference between a slightly better 11+, GCSE’s latterly, A-levels, University.
I really do worry about some of these kids. I think the country could be doing a whole lot better.
My local school sits close to a huge office complex. In a just world, that company could give over its space for 2000 people to the school of 200 children. It’s a time of genuine crisis. Children could be sat 5m apart, using good quality IT equipment. Even if only for the mandated 3 hours a day.
But no. Our low energy government sees a School as a Building. It’s that one building. Or home with zero support.
Apologies. Added a rant to your pat on the back. You did good. Thank you.
Brazil, South Africa and a few other countries in the southern hemisphere seeing new peaks in coronavirus cases in the last few days, during their summer, suggests the weather doesn't play that big a role in transmission. Presumably it adds another layer on top but whether they're in winter or summer, the countries that are struggling now are just saying it's because "we let our guard down". No more transmissible variants discovered in Brazil yet but they do a lot less sequencing so maybe that's playing a role too and they just don't know it yet.
Great news.
Thank you and all the same to you, your original post got me thinking, Yes my daughter is fine, has what she needs and is getting on ok, but its all too easy to fall into the trap of assuming everyone is in the same position, thanks for the reminder bud.
I was talking to a colleague in South Africa yesterday and they’re working on the assumption that the surge is because they spend Christmas holidays gathering in crowds on beaches/parks etc. Outdoors but packed closely together, sharing toilet facilities and transport etc
Last 4 days in Germany
Deaths 944, 1019, 1070, 1188 and yesterday 31k cases.
Not heard anything about a new variant over there. Perhaps eastern Europe and neighbour Poland getting hit hard recently and them being barely affected last year during March/Apr played a role in Germany seemingly doing well and now not. Would also expect Christmas traditions and overconfidence key.
Deaths 944, 1019, 1070, 1188 and yesterday 31k cases.
Not heard anything about a new variant over there. Perhaps eastern Europe and neighbour Poland getting hit hard recently and them being barely affected last year during March/Apr played a role in Germany seemingly doing well and now not. Would also expect Christmas traditions and overconfidence key.
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Yeah they were saying similar in Brazil. More widespread and frequent but not all that different from these crowds in Brighton, I'd have thought, yet at that time cases still kept falling in the UK. Just seems to me that most of the correlations we've noticed are pretty weak, or at the very least they don't translate across different cultures and lifestyles.
A huge sinkhole (500 square metres) has opened up in the carpark of a Naples hospital which is treating Covid patients. They've had to evacuate the hospital, fiefighters are checking to see if anyone is trapped in the hole.
Does anyone have a (rough) idea on how long the negative test 72 hours before arrival policy is here for in country's? Is it until if/when the vaccine puts numbers down to "respectable" levels or is it likely here to stay for aslong as Covid is present atall? Or something in-between?
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They won't have made a decision of when to end it yet, but it will be when it's down to controllable levels. Covid won't ever not be present now as we won't eradicate it from the entire worlds population at this stage and it can spread worldwide from any place (like Wuhan), it will become a controlled cyclical virus like some others as long as we have up to date vaccines.
The post-holiday numbers are starting to show up in South Carolina. Lots of counties with 35-40% positive rates.
Horrible
Crazy figures today, will be only a matter of time before we are at 100,000 deaths.
Sadiq Khan saying London has 908 patients on ventilation, more than double what it was at Christmas! Hospitals are at 10k more patients than at the peak of wave 1!
We need to beef up this 'lockdown' or there's going to be major major issues.
We need to beef up this 'lockdown' or there's going to be major major issues.
Time to get the welding gear out?
On my way home today after my eye appointment (was discharged been 9months since my last appointment for laser eye surgery) live on a cul de sac and the connecting road is extremely short, perhaps 15 houses in total.
Normally 2 vehicles on the road due to drives. Always there.
Today 8 different vehicles, drives still packed with cars.
More traffic on the roads..
My schools in the first lockdown, closed two schools fully and moved all keyworker children to a third school, it helped reduce the amount of staff needed in and they had maybe 40-60 kids in total.
The smallest of those schools (1form entry) now has more than that on it's own. The other two have over 100 kids with double that in requests.
Teachers are definetly struggling, then you have that smug thundercnut Gavin Williamson coming out with the 'If you are not satisified with the remote learning provided, please report your teacher to Ofsted'
Utter utter cnut.
Normally 2 vehicles on the road due to drives. Always there.
Today 8 different vehicles, drives still packed with cars.
More traffic on the roads..
My schools in the first lockdown, closed two schools fully and moved all keyworker children to a third school, it helped reduce the amount of staff needed in and they had maybe 40-60 kids in total.
The smallest of those schools (1form entry) now has more than that on it's own. The other two have over 100 kids with double that in requests.
Teachers are definetly struggling, then you have that smug thundercnut Gavin Williamson coming out with the 'If you are not satisified with the remote learning provided, please report your teacher to Ofsted'
Utter utter cnut.
I think we're still a couple of weeks away from peak hospitalisations aren't we?
I posted on Wednesday saying that nearer the peak we'll see 1300-1400 deaths. I feel I've vastly underestimated it.
The second wave was always going to be worse, and we are still far from the peak.
As I said, with more and more younger people requiring hospitalization now - we will see more elderly patients unable to receive the life-saving treatment that they would have received during the first wave, and the early stages of the second wave. I said a couple of weeks back that the average age of admissions now has certainly shifted more towards the 40/50 age group.
Our intensive care now is full of 40-50 year old on ventilators. We have had no success stories of anyone above 65 who requires ITU support.
I am petrified for my parents now as they are hovering around that number. Despite my mam being very well in herself and not on any medications, some hospitals would decline her an ITU bed based on her age if she became very unwell. This is adding to the fact that we are seeing more 40 year olds, fit and completely well, (one was an Ironman athlete) requiring ITU.
Terrible times we live in. Government deserve a great deal of blame, but people who say the blame should solely be on them are morons. The advice has been there since the very start of COVID and it is clear as day that a lot of people aren't following them.
The second wave was always going to be worse, and we are still far from the peak.
As I said, with more and more younger people requiring hospitalization now - we will see more elderly patients unable to receive the life-saving treatment that they would have received during the first wave, and the early stages of the second wave. I said a couple of weeks back that the average age of admissions now has certainly shifted more towards the 40/50 age group.
Our intensive care now is full of 40-50 year old on ventilators. We have had no success stories of anyone above 65 who requires ITU support.
I am petrified for my parents now as they are hovering around that number. Despite my mam being very well in herself and not on any medications, some hospitals would decline her an ITU bed based on her age if she became very unwell. This is adding to the fact that we are seeing more 40 year olds, fit and completely well, (one was an Ironman athlete) requiring ITU.
Terrible times we live in. Government deserve a great deal of blame, but people who say the blame should solely be on them are morons. The advice has been there since the very start of COVID and it is clear as day that a lot of people aren't following them.
Unbelievable numbers today.
That knobhead Boris and his small group of dickheads (Rishi, Michael Gove, Hancock, Gavin Williamson) need to be publicly flogged for their handling of this.
That knobhead Boris and his small group of dickheads (Rishi, Michael Gove, Hancock, Gavin Williamson) need to be publicly flogged for their handling of this.
Hear hear.
At some point we need to address the elephant in the room.
Boris didn't give himself a majority.
What do you mean?
He never at any point (whether by design or lack of acting skills) hid what an incompetent, cowardly nasty piece of work he is yet he still won a majority at the last election.
Said before 2-3k, looking like we might reach that.
Regardless, it's the number swell that's going to be very large with the large amount of cases and admissions still to take effect. Last time was a short rise to the peak and down, this is like a tidal wave across the country with way more unwilling to lockdown. Should've had a hard lockdown soon as the new strain
was apparent and I think they left it too long from the autumn time, who knows this new strain may never had arose if we tried to tackle the rise properly after the summer.
We may not see tories in power for a long time if this keeps going.
Regardless, it's the number swell that's going to be very large with the large amount of cases and admissions still to take effect. Last time was a short rise to the peak and down, this is like a tidal wave across the country with way more unwilling to lockdown. Should've had a hard lockdown soon as the new strain
was apparent and I think they left it too long from the autumn time, who knows this new strain may never had arose if we tried to tackle the rise properly after the summer.
We may not see tories in power for a long time if this keeps going.
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I think so based on the time from spread around christmas day to symptoms to 10 day hyperinflammatory phase where a lot of the infections are.
The only hope is that we the equation isn't as linear or exponential as it is and the majority of the cases/spread are in younger population and we start to see the cases graph become less steep, but i have nothing to base that on.
Its looking bleak, vast majority of GP queries now are covid too. There's a whole lot of people in the community who are in their homes with low oxygen saturations I reckon so its the tip of a shitty iceberg.
Think this is one of the highest amounts in a single country worldwide for deaths per capita?
1300 would be like 6500+ in the US..
1300 would be like 6500+ in the US..
Careful, I dared say this last week and suddenly I was a Governmental cheerleader.
The schools shouldn’t have gone back straight away in Sept in my view and I agree, there should have been a much stricter lockdown before that shambles of a half arsed attempt in November. It was pathetic and very weak government.
Mich more effort and money should have been funnelled towards home schooling until we were sure we could cope with infections.
I understand. I have a lot of people from my Facebook post a lot of shit about Boris and Co., and they 100% deserve blame for their slowness to act on closing schools/initiating another lockdown etc etc. But the fact of the matter is that there have been restrictions in place for many months that should have reduced the transmission if followed correctly. The government are guilty of being stupid for believing that people will think sensibly through out.The only thing I’m clinging to is the possibility that most of the spread was in the run-up to Christmas. Large groups of people crammed into shops, pubs, restaurants, offices and schools. At Christmas (and in the days following) you will have had a lot of intra-household spread but not the same opportunity for super-spreaders to infect multiple households at a time.
The infections seeded in the week before Christmas are all decompensating now but hopefully that surge is starting to wind down. It’s two weeks to the day after Christmas Day today, so hopefully we’ll see the pressure on the health service ease off from next week on.
I know that doesn’t really fit with the timing of the cases but I think/hope we can’t really trust the dates of the cases reported during/straight after Christmas week for various different reasons.
He'll get a fcking knighthood from his pals up the palace.
Utter cnut of the highest order