SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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With next generation sequencing the viral genome could be sequenced within a day. It's really basic and I wouldn't call it forthcoming.
Only possible if the plebs are willing to forego their 'freedoms'. We have all the technology and data analytical tools to track movement of individuals, but the west also has a citizenry who wont ever trust their Governments to use such measures.
'Free Democratic' societies seem like the best place for a virus to create a pandemic. I'm sure this has been noted by every would be bio-terrorist for future plans.
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That’s my own take too.
Thanks
They certainly haven't. A local warehouse employing hundreds of people in my local area with no social distancing. They even tried to hide an outbreak from the union that represents most of the workers. Big supermarkets are now flagrantly disregarding social distancing. The rail companies allowing people to pack trains on Friday, in London. Tales of employers using fear to discourage workers that need to self isolate. Nothing done to these potential super spreaders but visit your gran on Christmas Day and get fined. (I'm not advocating that, by the way)
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The response to the virus has been for the majority of the world abysmal and yes the Chinese should be held responsible for the virus but the mess we see around the world is also in part because Govts and populations handled this pandemic very poorly. There were poor policy decisions made where many govts did not heed the warnings of their own scientists and there was a poor reaction from many populations because of complacency and a thing called "absence of fear" a term which is more often referred to anti vaccers. Many Govts failed miserably in getting their people fully onboard in dealing with the virus. Govts and populations that had been hit by the SARs virus have for the most part been the ones which have done better with this one, they didnt have the "absence of fear" factor.
If you just want to blame the whole abysmal handling of the pandemic on the Chinese you are completely ignoring important things which will help when the next one comes along.
I call the first week of January when they actually released the genome sequencing pretty forthcoming in the bigger scheme of things. It was certainly early enough in the scene for the rest of the world to have reacted far better than the majority of it did. Yes China should shoulder a decent chunk of responsibility for not saying something in early December but the Genome sequence being in the hands of Scientists around the world in the 2nd week of January was early enough for a far better plan of action to have been taken. I remember this news very clearly, it was big news at the time.
The response to the virus has been for the majority of the world abysmal and yes the Chinese should be held responsible for the virus but the mess we see around the world is also in part because Govts and populations handled this pandemic very poorly. There were poor policy decisions made where many govts did not heed the warnings of their own scientists and there was a poor reaction from many populations because of complacency and a thing called "absence of fear" a term which is more often referred to anti vaccers. Many Govts failed miserably in getting their people fully onboard in dealing with the virus. Govts and populations that had been hit by the SARs virus have for the most part been the ones which have done better with this one, they didnt have the "absence of fear" factor.
If you just want to blame the whole abysmal handling of the pandemic on the Chinese you are completely ignoring important things which will help when the next one comes along.
You shouldn’t be. I teach in one of the most disadvantaged areas of the UK and I cannot stress enough just how important it is that children are attending school.
If there is to be a (brief) move to online learning in response to the current concerns, government should bloody well hurry up and let us know. There has been systemic failure across the board in relation to the handling of this pandemic but I find it hard to articulate just how preposterous the response has been from within my own context of working in education. Schools have generally risen to the challenge, climbed above the inadequacy, and then some.
In response to this, I’ll be spending next week making sure my Google Classroom resources are good to go for the following week. These halfwits will probably wait until the Sunday night to make the decision so I’d best get ahead.
Who do yall predict will open borders next after france
There’s two ifs at either end of the spectrum. Either you believe one of those two or you have a different explanation entirely. The fact you sidestep it is quite indicativeBrwned Do you want some more IF statements in your post? .
All I'm saying is, in August, all the parents in my circle (including myself) were saying "cases will go up when schools go back, cases will go up when schools go back, cases will go up when schools go back."
And they did. And the government were underprepared.
To be fair, Christmas is a bit of a natural lockdown anyway. (In some ways)
People take time off.
Kids are off school.
They've pretty much cancelled Christmas. They have for me anyway. The inevitable 1st January lockdown will be more of the same.
fecking Germany. Was hoping if they open borders most other countries will follow, but no, they extend the ban
Totally agree.
In fact we're on the same page. I totally agree that many governments have made poor decisions and policies handling the pandemic, like I said in #51296 they were so dumb not to issue a travelling ban or close the borders against China at the early phase.
However I think you still have some misunderstanding about genome sequencing. Sequence information has little use other than detection kit and vaccine development (both completed well done). Policy making relies on early, accurate epidemiological data, which are at least partially held back by China. You said it yourself, they could have said something in early December.
As a healthcare professional grown up in a city hit by SARS, I'd say the best chance to prevent this pandemic is to contain the virus within Wuhan, or at least within China. After this point, all efforts are just damage limitation. Yes some countries are handling better than others; but to me, the one who causes the damage shoulders a much more responsibility than those who fail to limit the damage.
I think that, specifically for the UK government, they hugely underestimsted the impact that kids and uni students going back to school and uni would have.
I think that, specifically for the UK, the government assumed that the protections the schools and unis would put in place would be enough.
I think that, specifically for the UK, the UK government is run by a bunch of out-of-touch middle aged men and the occasional childless middle aged woman, and so as a group they *do* lack the common sense you might find from mothers and involved parents.
I suspect that other countries may be similarly run by middle aged men and childless middle aged woman.
I have evidence that the UK government underestimated the impact schools and unis going back would have, from radio interviews, newspaper articles and the destruction of track and trace in September.
I have no idea what your point is
I wouldn't believe Boris if he told me today was Tuesday. Turns out this statement was more microwaved bullshit than an oven ready product.
France haven't opened their borders to the UK except for freight and returning French nationals/ residents provided the people involved test negative.
Also the schools in France have not been closed since before the summer holidays.
My mrs is a district nurse, 2 of her patients tested positive today.
She tested negative a week ago.
Both patients have Alzheimer's and are housebound so........how did they get it?
Enjoy your family xmas dinners everyone.
She tested negative a week ago.
Both patients have Alzheimer's and are housebound so........how did they get it?
Enjoy your family xmas dinners everyone.
We went into lock down in Wales on Sunday night. It has been quieter, not as quiet as last lock downs but I would imagine that is the Christmas effect. Today was the only time I have been out though when shopping for in laws. My wife and son have both been working and said it has been a bit quieter. My next door neighbour put his lights up outside his house today which probably means his family will turn up from Preston tonight or tomorrow. Most people in the village respect the rules but for some reason he doesn`t think they apply to him .
That's all well and good but unlikely to be very much better. The second wave says it all. Because of
1) mAh fReEdOm!!111!!1
2) Big money simply has too much power and influence to bribe politicians to do as they say. And they say reopen the economy so that they can make an extra euro/pound/dollar.
Thats terrible. Is your missus their only outside contact?
No, family also. Mrs will test again tomorrow
Not a massive mystery then?
Yes, you are probably right, But planning for a pandemic needs to be done in retrospective on lessons learnt as a global event and will take years to analyze the data and what could be done better (a lot) specially on what you said on the "freedom"
Besides 30-40% of nutjobs in US due to Trump (without Trump's rhetoric would be way less) and a few in Europe, most of the population would comply with the rules if it would seem that a plan exist. So far it had been shambolic patching, non unified directive that changes the next day and even the politicians don't respect the rules that they put in place.
With a more defined plan from the governments and the population knowing better the basics learnt, next time we will improve massively and specially, the situation would be able to be tackled before it crosses borders.
Europe closed borders with UK with no hesitation after the new strain that is something that it was not done with china or italy at the beginning (although maybe too late when we knew). I am sure it will be regulations and protocols on that in the future as many more
Taiwan is a free democratic society.
Just got my test result!!!
Negative. So I'm gonna continue to isolate as much as possible and see my family in Christmas day (not against the rules as I'm technically living by myself right now).
Chuffed.
Negative. So I'm gonna continue to isolate as much as possible and see my family in Christmas day (not against the rules as I'm technically living by myself right now).
Chuffed.
Germany with 944 deaths.
UK will probably be 700-900 soon like we've seen in Italy and Germany recently
Have to admit compared to Jan to March I thought with awareness, many times more testing, masks, protocols in care homes etc, maybe even better care procedures, deaths in European countries would max out around the 400-600 range or the equivalent thereof in regards to countries like Belgium. Only difference has been the slower build.
UK will probably be 700-900 soon like we've seen in Italy and Germany recently
Have to admit compared to Jan to March I thought with awareness, many times more testing, masks, protocols in care homes etc, maybe even better care procedures, deaths in European countries would max out around the 400-600 range or the equivalent thereof in regards to countries like Belgium. Only difference has been the slower build.
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But I’m guessing it’s citizens are a lot more compliant to Government instructions and perhaps more responsible towards their fellow citizens? What was their secret to success?
Trust is earned by transparency and honesty.
I can't stop thinking about this.
Also - funnily enough - my work colleague was asymptomatic (he thought he had a cold) took one of these lateral flow tests, came back positive, had an PCR test, came back positive.
Everything you say is correct and I also strongly agree.
The U.K. was unfortunate in that it had literally just installed a new set of cabinet ministers and Prime Minister, none of whom had experience on how Government should function to handle such a seismic crisis, let alone Boris's Government executive whom were not the best in class minds of the Conservative party.
So we had the most important people in the country having to learn about the subject and how to work together as a team on the hoof! This motley group of idiots (Cummings, Hancock, Patel, Sanuk, Gove & Raab) were also proudly ‘rule Britannia’ so I’m sure also resistant to global insight and learnings, and thinking they knew best.
Personally I think U.K. would have done far better if led by Theresa May and her cabinet during Covid, despite her many failings as a leader.
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Apparently people in the UK are getting text messages to Shield again which is quite scary. Pretty sure they said on Saturday that wouldn't happen. Govt is spooked.
This shit is getting ridiculous day by day. In only the last couple of days this has escalated so fast.
I don't personally think online learning will be enough for Children, there's some thing that just simply cannot be taught through a screen, social competence being the main one.
Not to mention, school is literally the only way some kids get a hot meal, for others school is the only time they're free of abuse, the only chance to live like a normal kid.
Anyone who actively wants schools (especially primary) to shut down are either ignorant or the lowest of the low.
Guidance was updated yesterday for those in tier 4, it's no great mystery and was discussed at the weekend.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/advice-for-clinically-extremely-vulnerable-in-new-tier-4-areas
Why did he think he had a cold if he was asymptomatic?
How come France can shut the border when early on in the pandemic the UK allegedly couldn't because "the EU"?
Severity of this third wave seems like it could be worst than the first wave.
Am expecting much stricter restrictions than what tier 4 demands immediately after Xmas day.
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