Christmas shopping & socialising
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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I'm not sure why you keep doing this. I presented some new data, with the associated analysis, and my own viewpoint. I didn't do it to snipe at anyone. I agree with you that schools play a role in transmission. I agree with you that the government should consider closing secondary schools.
Why do you need to go on the attack every time someone suggests there's some nuances worth discussing on the subject, with some new data? I'm not attacking your view. You're welcome to it. I agree there is ambiguity. Data removes some of that but not much. There's plenty of room for discussion. And you said yourself you have no desire to get drawn into some weird argument about it. Yet you follow up on the next post, and the next post, and the next. I'll pass on that.
Jesus. That sounds horrendous
hope that you get an appointment soon and they can come up with a suitable plan for you
Well, we have forms to fill in if we have to travel outside the local area for work or emergency. You have to carry the form with you and have ID. You might get stopped or you might not, but if you're stopped and you're travelling when you shouldn't be, you'll get fined.
Black Friday
Yes there has been some kind of IT issue producing today's numbers that had been left off previously so they warned everyone what was coming.
Because you aren’t interested in discussion, merely presenting a flawed defence of your initial position and telling anyone who says otherwise they are wrong. It’s an emotive subject.
I'm sorry to hear about your family's problems, @djembatheking. Sounds like you've had a tough time. It's always worth ringing the hospital and just explaining your difficulties, or going back to your GP again.
I realise the NHS is overwhelmed right now, but people still need attention for other conditions, too.
I realise the NHS is overwhelmed right now, but people still need attention for other conditions, too.
I bet in the US it had an effect
Feels more like a vanity exercise than anything else. A waste of police resources.
Not really, we had police check points and police on the roads during our lockdown back in March. They operated with an education first approach and only fined multiple repeat offenders. It worked well, it wasnt onerous and the general public didnt react badly to it. Also we had less crime during our lockdown in general so ploce resources were doing more community based work. Also it gave the general public who were trying to do there bit by following the rules more confidence that the less responsible werent just doing whatever they wanted. Not a waste of Police resources at all, in fact the opposite.
Works fine in other countries, it just wouldn't work with the limited police resources we have here.
Where are you?
Hubris, selfishness, clinging to rituals, & a bit of a lack of common sense is probably a good start.
Thanksgiving in all its aspects is now starting to be felt. Apparently airline travel was only down ten percent versus last year.
This was just unconscionable.
Unfortunately, in many places around this country, malls, discount malls, etc. were left open while smaller business were closed.
UK.
Bollocks,
it would absolutely work there. Ive lived there a couple of times over the years and was last there just 2 years ago. I was also born there. It would absolutely work there, the police resources are strong enough to handle it with ease. Utter bollocks.
Fake news. Still too many, mind.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...giving-travel-volume-2020-pandemic/index.html
When was the last time you lived here?
Border check doesn't work here, Wales introduced it in their circuit breaker lockdown and they're now having to go back into another circuit breaker after Xmas. It doesn't reduce the infection rate.
It's complete waste of police resource, and there is no law currently to enforce. Only guidance.
Wow at least some sense prevailed! Only down 1000 deaths on the usual Black Friday stampede
Taking parts of Surrey out of tier 3 while it has higher rates than parts of South Manchester. Blatant via towards regions where MPs and affluent political influencers live.
I was last there in 2018. I have tons of family there and tons of friends there.
You have only very slightly less police per 100000 people than we do. Its down to just a couple of Police less per 100000. The lack of Police resources is not a serious argument, its just completely untrue. You have a big enough Police presence. Even if there is no law to enforce Police presence helping with guidelines is valuable. There is less traffic on the road during a lockdown, less people out in the street, especially during your winter and Police do more than just chase criminals down the high street. A waste of Police resources is also a poor argument, Police interacting with the public is always a good thing. Police in the community helps ease barriers for some. The term vanity project is one of those terms chucked around when someone doesnt have a quantifiable set of arguments.
You are just spouting utter Bollocks. Complete and utter Bollocks.
South Manchester hospitals are near to capacity, pointless for them to be in tier two.
No one has yet given a good enough reason as to how police doing checks on county borders will decrease infection rates. I'm all ears, but yet community policing (which you're referring to, not actual border checks which is what was proposed) is just business as usual, is not going to reduce the infection rates. This is why it's a vanity project, to look as though you're doing something but the actual impact of your efforts make no contribution to a reduction. There's an argument for the very beginning of the pandemic, or when we're in complete lockdown, but now? Pointless.
Yeah the TSA produce the numbers daily here. They did get past 40% of last year's for a few days but never above 50%, and they had already gotten over 40% last year's figures at the beginning of November and end of October. Even just a few days ago it was near 40% capacity so the spike at Thanksgiving was overblown. The average for November was 37%, in October it was 32%, and for December it's at 35%. Things haven't changed that much since the summer.
Thanks. Found it on the BBC now it is that.
Thanks!
Was about to post thatYou got a link for comparative hospital capacity across the various counties?
Speechless- most areas near me have gone tier 3- oh but apparently the hunt will still be meeting in tier 3 areas with tier 3 people?! How is that allowed!
No sadly not unfortunately, it's pretty much local press that gives some indicators, this below is one re: Tameside/Oldham. Official data sources just gives total admissions. My other half works at Trafford Hospital, and has siblings which work at Wythenshawe and Salford Royal. Everything they're saying makes me think that it was right to keep tier three status here. If the case rate increases it'll put them back significantly, and they're still not recovering from the spike in early November.
No worries, yes I don't necessarily disagree with tier 3. But I think it is being dropped to tier 2 in areas close to government when it probably shouldn't.
Reality is we probably should have a national lockdown rather than the tier system. Germany for example have implemented a more logical solution for Christmas.
Lockdown ma
Lockdown 3 coming early Jan for a month at least...but again as has been the case throughout this...it's going to be too little and too late.
Lockdown 3 coming early Jan for a month at least...but again as has been the case throughout this...it's going to be too little and too late.
I saw a post from a whistleblower a couple of days back that has been spot on about everything so far and he is stating, with absolute certainty, that it has already been decided that whole of the UK will go back into a full lockdown in January.
NSW cluster up to 28 cases now. It is a US variant so likely from flight crew or a quarantine breech. Bollocks.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...cases-brings-local-transmission-total-to-five
Edit: It is genomically similar to that found in a woman who arrived on Dec 1 , developed symptoms in quarantine and wa moved to a medi hotel. They aren't sure that she is the source and if so how it got out.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...cases-brings-local-transmission-total-to-five
Edit: It is genomically similar to that found in a woman who arrived on Dec 1 , developed symptoms in quarantine and wa moved to a medi hotel. They aren't sure that she is the source and if so how it got out.
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Tokyo on average has 8000 tests done daily. There are theories as to why its so low. This results in less positive tests.
Having said that Tokyo hit 800 positives yesterday a big jump in just a month and it seems nationally there are around 50 daily deaths. (not 100% on that)
Things are developing here but nowhere near like Europe.
Some proportion of city dwellers in Japan lead very different solitary lives to perhaps Western countries. I appreciate that's a generalisation and with no idea what proportion but historically I read that the Japanese live law abiding, socially responsible lives. That Abe may be a bit of a figure of ridicule now but is it the case that the Japanese have more of a sense of protecting the whole?