Tier 2. See ya bitches. I have ascended.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Tier 3, baby.
I think I have to now talk about how I have to cough on my grandparents as a feck you to the London centric central government now, don't I?
I think I have to now talk about how I have to cough on my grandparents as a feck you to the London centric central government now, don't I?
Also a NI hospitality lobbying group blowing up the fallacy that a harsher lockdown does more damage to businesses in the long-run.
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I'm not quite sure how you've come to this as a solid conclusion. Given that it's been deemed too risky to move GM down to Tier 2, I don't think thats a signal to engage in more activities that could potential lead to further spreading. The whole point of the tier system isn't to control what you do, it's to limit the potential spread routes of the virus (arguments of whether they're cutting the correct routes could be had). I understand it's frustrating. Particularly to those who work in hospitality or are reliant on the industry. As an individual you can make your own decisions, but I would plead with you to stick by the rules and guidance as much as you can do. The best way to get out of this is by a collective approach. The virus spreads via contact. It's not in any way possible to ban all contact so we've had to make difficult decisions on what is and isn't appropriate. Yes it's infuriating to see some blatent disregard for rules. Yes it's upsetting that we can't see friends and family. Unfortunately, the virus doesn't care how we feel. You are free to make your own decisions, but please try to do as much as you possibly can to limit the spread of the virus.
The approach we have taken in Northern Ireland has both crippled hospitality and failed to control the spread. Allowing close contact services to open for a week was a farce.
Ill see your Tier 2 and raise you, We are in 1. Although given that we have wales one side, and a sea of tier 2 on the other 3 sides not sure how long that will last?
Of course he does
Wales is no better than England , my grandson had to wait 2 weeks for a scan as the whole department were isolating because of covid , I have been waiting for over 6 months for an appointment with vascular dept for a clot in my leg , just been put on aspirin and told to wait even though my leg seizes up when walking up hills , meanwhile people are ignoring all regulations and just doing what they want . My neighbours family travel here from Preston every feckin weekend and did so during England last lockdown cos they could go out in Wales. I also look after in laws in their 80s who haven`t been out since March so got used to it now, just keep ourselves to ourselves .
That must be incredibly frustrating for you. I hope that you can get your appointment soon
I don’t really want to get back into the long back and forths about this again but I don’t see how you can come to that conclusion when it explicitly says the rate is higher in secondary schools than it is in the general population.
Couldn't this also be taken as an argument that rates in schools and in the wider community are intrinsically linked given the similarity? The conclusions appear to be that there is transmission in an educational setting, but it largely mirrors the transmission in the community at the same time, whilst being non-committal on whether schools or the general community is driving that.
It is not my claim but their interpretation. There are more cases among that age group but the evidence suggests it is coming from outside schools as much, if not more than, from within schools. The fact that teenagers are infected a little more often might have more to do with how they live their lives outside the classrooms than within it, and they haven't found evidence suggesting classrooms accelerate it, which is why they don't think school closures would have a significant long-term effect on the spread.
I would say they're a bit more than non-commital on it. They say the data so far suggests that it is being introduced from different sources, but they don't have the genetic evidence to confirm that, and the data from PHE on contact tracing is very patchy. They definitely lean one way. Although it's fair to question whether that leaning is influenced more by bias than the noisy signals they're getting from the data.
It is frustrating but you have to just go with it , our hospital in North Wales has very limited services and the only way to get my grandson sorted was through the specialist that he is under in Alder Hey , he ended up getting involved and he has since had his EEG scan and been prescribed medicine but North Wales hospitals take very little to be over run . It is annoying watching everyone taking no notice of the rules because covid won`t do them any harm , it is just selfish and they genuinely don`t care about spreading as they don`t know anyone it affects. Have to just get on with it in the end cos you can`t start arguing with everyone.That must be incredibly frustrating for you. I hope that you can get your appointment soon
Yeah I wondering if that had been the case. It's such a small increase that its laughable to called it a bonus.
Also of course the poster who complained about how the tories are treating the north, thinks an extra £10 at Christmas(Along with free school meals)is keeping the ''working man'' down.
It isn't an increase as such, just that she receives £10 every Christmas. A one off payment.
That's not what it suggests though. It says that schools reflect virus levels in the local community, and that they've found it a challenge to find out the role of schools in the spread of the virus.
I could be wrong as it's been a long since I've gone home but I'm pretty sure the one off christmas bonus in Ireland is 100% of your normal weekly long-term benefit payment. The welfare system in England is has been totally destroyed.
That isn't what they've said. Saying they need genetic testing to confirm their initial findings is not the same as saying they don't have any findings. Their findings suggest - which is what I said, not confirm - schools don't play a big role in transmission.
Which leads them to say closing schools would only have a temporary effect on cases; in other words, these kids would pick it up from somewhere else, as already do, or the behaviour displacement would lead to more cases elsewhere or later. If schools did play a big role in transmission, above and beyond normal routes of transmission, then closing them would have a long-term effect. Their analysis suggests it wouldn't.
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Since all non essential shops were closed on monday it's going really well
The booze shop and flower shop near me are open, people dont care
The booze shop and flower shop near me are open, people dont care
I've literally quoted from the article you've linked to.
People have shown themselves to be incapable of self policing as we are just too selfish as a species. Police presence on the roads and stronger messaging on TV/Radio would go a long way.
What are the police supposed to be enforcing on the road though?
You introduce it as more evidence suggesting that school transmission isn’t a big issue. It says PHE suggests it may be coming from outside schools but then clearly says they don’t have any evidence that’s the case and need genetic studies to know more. It doesn’t even tell us why PHE data suggests that. It isn’t evidence of anything other than secondary school kids are testing at a higher rate than anybody else. What are they doing that nobody else is doing?
But that’s working on the assumption that all teenagers are running around meeting all their mates.
whereas we know for fact that they are in an indoor school environment, mixing with kids from other households, in badly ventilated buildings.
And also ignores the fact that even if they aren’t all picking it up in schools that we are still sending them to a building every day where they are mixing with more people. Whether they are or aren’t a bigger route of transmission than other areas isn’t relevant when it’s the only one we haven’t tried restricting.
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I hear you but it's not realistic or practical to put that on the already stretched police service.
Maybe you've misread the statement. It has been a challenge to "find out more" about the role of schools in the spread of the virus. In spite of those challenges, they've seen enough to make the statement I've quoted. Which for some reason you've just pretended doesn't exist, twice. Fun times.
Yeah we have limited evidence on where else it comes from, and have to rely on hypotheses. What science is best at is testing and rejecting hypotheses, rather than proving theories. The hypothesis has been put forward many times that schools are obviously the place where it's spreading like mad, and the evidence has consistently ruled that out.
Sometimes there are super spreader events, just like sometimes there are super spreader events in all indoor areas. But it isn't somewhere that people are disproportionately likely to spread the virus, despite the fact kids are kids, and the schools are how they are. And the hypothesis for that with the most reliable evidence is that kids get infected less easily and spread it less easily, so more contacts lead to proportionately fewer transmissions.
That applies outside school too. Teenagers in general are socialising more than their grand parents in general. Likewise for uni students and their parents. It's not that all of them are doing it, but more are, and more often. Despite that, for much of this year kids have been infected no more often than their parents. Younger kids are usually infected less frequently, and teenagers for most of their time - and for most of the school year - were as likely to get infected as someone my age. Despite seeing many more people in and out of school on average.
That doesn't mean that there isn't some spread in schools - their evidence suggests the opposite. It does have an incremental effect on transmission. But their analysis is that schools are not the primary cause of the spread.
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Have you asked your GP about heparin injections? You self-adminster them in your stomach. I had (bad) phlebitis in the summer in numerous leg veins and the GP (in Italy) prescribed those straight away. I had a three-week course and have been taking aspirin ever since.
It’s time here in the US to stop the lunatic press coverage of the vaccines being available. The sheer stupidity & selfishness of a large swath of this country will only become emboldened in their anti-virus behavior & probably even add a slight spike to the double spike we are experiencing.
I get that it is a positive development, but over 3K people are dying a day & rising. That’s where the media focus should be. The vaccines will have almost no positive effect for the general public in this country for months, perhaps even a year. To blow smoke up many willing recipient’s asses by this virtual false dawn is egregious now. To be certain, the immediate roll out of the vaccines was history making & deserved saturation coverage, but it’s long last time to have the media say they are emotional when the sixth clip of a UPS truck leaving a nondescript building or a delivery person is rolling a hand truck into the receiving dock of a medical building.
So many here & worldwide have willfully displayed aggressive ignorance about the pandemic & denied stone cold facts. It’s time to stop giving these mensas the ability to do so further & discuss brass tacks & continue to do so. This potential false dawn of the vaccine arriving in this country will only enhance more suffering & give more rationalization for the deniers to not amend their poor behavior.
I get that it is a positive development, but over 3K people are dying a day & rising. That’s where the media focus should be. The vaccines will have almost no positive effect for the general public in this country for months, perhaps even a year. To blow smoke up many willing recipient’s asses by this virtual false dawn is egregious now. To be certain, the immediate roll out of the vaccines was history making & deserved saturation coverage, but it’s long last time to have the media say they are emotional when the sixth clip of a UPS truck leaving a nondescript building or a delivery person is rolling a hand truck into the receiving dock of a medical building.
So many here & worldwide have willfully displayed aggressive ignorance about the pandemic & denied stone cold facts. It’s time to stop giving these mensas the ability to do so further & discuss brass tacks & continue to do so. This potential false dawn of the vaccine arriving in this country will only enhance more suffering & give more rationalization for the deniers to not amend their poor behavior.
Random stop checks. See what people are up to. It’s the presence of authority that’s needed in these situations not necessarily action.
There is zero evidence of that provided in your link.
35000 in the UK today. Has anyone seen whether there’s an explanation for the massive jump?
35k cases in UK and 532 deaths. Really taking off down south and Wales.
Circuit breaker was more like have a break have a kit-kat
Circuit breaker was more like have a break have a kit-kat
The bolded part you refer to is interpretation by the BBC, the latter around genetic analysis is a quote from Dr Ladhani. Which is why I didn't go too far into it. The data though excluded tests on year 11 and 13, which Dr Ladhani has said are the two year groups with the highest infection rates. Fun times.
Edit: The only direct quote I've seen from Ladhani...
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On the graph breakdown today, Wales have added 11k, it's normally around 2-3k.
Could be those missing cases added in Wales
Yep, last 4 days have been 500-600 cases.
Significant case increases in London, East & South East:
And it looks like the Government that were dead set against school restrictions are now accepting that they may be required in the new year after all. I guess we’ll get our answer then.