SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Pogue Mahone said:
On a very basic level, I don’t think young people in other countries have the same culture of going to pubs and getting absolutely wrecked then spilling out into the streets at closing time to eat kebabs, flirt and fight. Partly down to differences in licensing laws and partly down to the fact that drinking 10 pints every Friday night just isn’t something that happens in many other countries.

I actually do kind of agree with the Sun headline here (shock, horror) Forcing everyone out of pubs/bars at the same time was alway going to create crowd scenes on the streets. I also think it will increase the number of post-pub house-parties.
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Can't talk for other countries, but I've never seen Polish night clubs and bar fullers and livelier than the last couple of months.

This past weekend, the clubs were packed like a sardine pack by midnight and last call was 5am, and then the line for Kebab of course. People were still ordering shots at the bar by 4am and the dance floor was 80% full. This is not a Polish/British/Russian/Italian thing...this is being in your 20s and wanting to live like a person in their 20s.

I feel as some Brits have a thing for putting themselves down and always pointing to others as superior examples, similar to some mothers who put their kids under psychological torture by pointing how others his age are so much better than him.

and for the record, I really don't like most of the type of British tourists who come here and how they act here, thank f*** I don't live in Krakow. :wenger:
 
Santos J said:
Fecking hell. Imagine we'll see places closing again next week, pubs/cinemas etc at least anyway.
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Hospitality is fecked in the UK for now. Too many idiots around to be trusted to be sensible. The government are a shambles but the population needs to take some of the blame.

Some pubs around here were jam packed after lockdown with no social distancing while others have done a good job and will be punished unfairly. We should have come down harder on the places that were not controlling their customers from the start with closures and heavy fines.
 
Hanks said:
Can't talk for other countries, but I've never seen Polish night clubs and bar fullers and livelier than the last couple of months.

This past weekend, the clubs were packed like a sardine pack by midnight and last call was 5am, and then the line for Kebab of course. People were still ordering shots at the bar by 4am and the dance floor was 80% full. This is not a Polish/British/Russian/Italian thing...this is being in your 20s and wanting to live like a person in their 20s.

I feel as some Brits have a thing for putting themselves down and always pointing to others as superior examples, similar to some mothers who put their kids under psychological torture by pointing how others his age are so much better than him.

and for the record, I really don't like most of the type of British tourists who come here and how they act here, thank f*** I don't live in Krakow. :wenger:
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I do agree with this to be honest.

I think there's a few reasons for it and have found the discussions on it in the last page and a bit interesting. Certainly most of the posters on here are British (or Irish) and so there will be a tendency to focus and concentrate on the UK. Perhaps on the current events section of Marseillecafe or PSGcafe, they're also cursing Macron and talking about how irresponsible their young people are. Most of the posters on here also lean towards the 'left side of the political spectrum' and so pretty much anything the government does is seen through the prism of it being terrible. Lots of pent up anger and bitterness still about Brexit too I'd say, which makes sticking in a boot vs the Tories or Brits (really the English specifically) quite tempting for many...and I'm not going to pretend I haven't engaged in some of this myself. And you're right, some Brits who just put themselves/ the country down at seemingly almost any opportunity.

I've said quite a few times on here that the government's response has been shambolic almost since day 1 but its interesting for me now that the criticism is still as severe on here, for literally every single decision made, even when those decisions match the ones made by governments on continental Europe (see closing pubs at 10pm for instance). Even that somehow becomes a crutch to kick the government/ general population with. I find it particularly strange because there are very valid and quite horrible things they're doing (the shocking failures of track and trace, the flagrant corruption of some of their deals etc) to focus on instead.

I think if an alien landed on Earth now, heard about this pandemic and happened to come on here for a read, they'd be forgiven for thinking the UK was almost uniquely badly affected in Europe, especially when it comes to this second wave. As opposed to the number of cases (and restrictions being brought back in) for a number of countries in Western/ Northern/Southern and Eastern Europe.
 
For what its worth, I see people have been talking for a while about the lag between cases going up and hospitalisations. Well...we're definitely seeing more and more patients coming into hospital with it now, more and more patients on a ventilator again and younger people coming back in with it now.
 
redshaw said:
UK 7143 cases and 71 deaths

Getting Spain like by the week.
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And that's with a larger delay on daily mortality rates right?

It would be interesting to see the demographics/locations in more detail, but hard to see how hospitality sector is kept open much longer.

Reckon we're not far away from the "Christmas will be cancelled if..." messaging.
 
africanspur said:
I do agree with this to be honest.

I think there's a few reasons for it and have found the discussions on it in the last page and a bit interesting. Certainly most of the posters on here are British (or Irish) and so there will be a tendency to focus and concentrate on the UK. Perhaps on the current events section of Marseillecafe or PSGcafe, they're also cursing Macron and talking about how irresponsible their young people are. Most of the posters on here also lean towards the 'left side of the political spectrum' and so pretty much anything the government does is seen through the prism of it being terrible. Lots of pent up anger and bitterness still about Brexit too I'd say, which makes sticking in a boot vs the Tories or Brits (really the English specifically) quite tempting for many...and I'm not going to pretend I haven't engaged in some of this myself. And you're right, some Brits who just put themselves/ the country down at seemingly almost any opportunity.

I've said quite a few times on here that the government's response has been shambolic almost since day 1 but its interesting for me now that the criticism is still as severe on here, for literally every single decision made, even when those decisions match the ones made by governments on continental Europe (see closing pubs at 10pm for instance). Even that somehow becomes a crutch to kick the government/ general population with. I find it particularly strange because there are very valid and quite horrible things they're doing (the shocking failures of track and trace, the flagrant corruption of some of their deals etc) to focus on instead.

I think if an alien landed on Earth now, heard about this pandemic and happened to come on here for a read, they'd be forgiven for thinking the UK was almost uniquely badly affected in Europe, especially when it comes to this second wave. As opposed to the number of cases (and restrictions being brought back in) for a number of countries in Western/ Northern/Southern and Eastern Europe.
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Doesn't the UK have the highest number of deaths in Europe? Combined with the biggest shrink in GDP?
 
This is just going to keep on happening until a vaccine is found. What's the solution? We can't just keep shutting everything down every 3 months.
 
Utdstar01 said:
This is just going to keep on happening until a vaccine is found. What's the solution? We can't just keep shutting everything down every 3 months.
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The solution is/was to get testing/ tracking up and running in an efficient way when we had a relative period of downtime.

Seems the UK may have squandered this opportunity and, from the outside, quite a few other European countries have sadly done the same.
 
africanspur said:
I do agree with this to be honest.

I think there's a few reasons for it and have found the discussions on it in the last page and a bit interesting. Certainly most of the posters on here are British (or Irish) and so there will be a tendency to focus and concentrate on the UK. Perhaps on the current events section of Marseillecafe or PSGcafe, they're also cursing Macron and talking about how irresponsible their young people are. Most of the posters on here also lean towards the 'left side of the political spectrum' and so pretty much anything the government does is seen through the prism of it being terrible. Lots of pent up anger and bitterness still about Brexit too I'd say, which makes sticking in a boot vs the Tories or Brits (really the English specifically) quite tempting for many...and I'm not going to pretend I haven't engaged in some of this myself. And you're right, some Brits who just put themselves/ the country down at seemingly almost any opportunity.

I've said quite a few times on here that the government's response has been shambolic almost since day 1 but its interesting for me now that the criticism is still as severe on here, for literally every single decision made, even when those decisions match the ones made by governments on continental Europe (see closing pubs at 10pm for instance). Even that somehow becomes a crutch to kick the government/ general population with. I find it particularly strange because there are very valid and quite horrible things they're doing (the shocking failures of track and trace, the flagrant corruption of some of their deals etc) to focus on instead.

I think if an alien landed on Earth now, heard about this pandemic and happened to come on here for a read, they'd be forgiven for thinking the UK was almost uniquely badly affected in Europe, especially when it comes to this second wave. As opposed to the number of cases (and restrictions being brought back in) for a number of countries in Western/ Northern/Southern and Eastern Europe.
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Good post. I’m only close to the UK/Ireland experience but I would imagine every country currently experiencing a surge (and which European country isn’t experiencing a surge?!) is going through the same blame game you describe. And the target for your blame will be entirely based on your age/politics.

Middle aged conservatives are furious about reckless youth, while younger lefties blame it all on the Tories. With conspiracy nutters and small state libertarians blaming it on anyone in a position of power. Trying to be objective is difficult but it looks as though it’s incredibly hard to get any of this right. It’s an unsolvable problem where the balance between viral spread vs economic ruin is a nightmare to get right.
 
Brwned said:
I'd agree with @F-Red (I think) in that if I was in their situation, I'd probably have taken the year off. Educationally I don't think it would make a huge difference, there'd be some teething pains but it's do-able. But my uni experience was almost entirely defined by figuring out what independence was and meeting new people all the time, in spontaneous events often with a complete disregard for my own personal safety and a sole focus on having a bit of craic. I'd like to think I'd consider the risks of spreading covid to be a bit different to the risks of yet another night of alcohol poisoning, but I can't think of many moments when I considered the bigger picture at that age. Otherwise I'd probably have realised drinking a pint of jaegermeister mixed with vodka in about a minute might lead me into some dangerous situations!

That's not blaming the students, but I do think the situation they've found themselves in wasn't entirely unpredictable, and the idea they're being unlawfully imprisoned and all that is a tad dramatic. If I was in their position I'd just get someone to chuck up some LSD and weed through the window and have a cracking time.
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Agree. Some perspective is required as well where we have some 2.3-2.4 million in higher education, and a situation of c1700-2000 people being in 'lockdown'.
 
Our sister hospital has “closed its doors” on any new admissions for the next 2 weeks because of a huge outbreak of COVID there that isn’t manageable. There is 70 confirmed cases of COVID there now.

So they’ve shut their Emergency Department (still open for walks in for those that can be treated for issues that can be dealt with and then discharge home - like an ankle injury) and they will defer all ambulances to the nearby hospitals.

Meaning my hospital’s Emergency’s Department will become extra busy for the foreseeable future as it now covers a wider range of area.
 
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How the feck is this even allowed? Surely there should be a programme to get food to people who are stuck? Even if it's just the basics to keep going.

Utterly outrageous, and we wonder why people strip the shelves in a panic!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Good post. I’m only close to the UK/Ireland experience but I would imagine every country currently experiencing a surge (and which European country isn’t experiencing a surge?!) is going through the same blame game you describe. And the target for your blame will be entirely based on your age/politics.

Middle aged conservatives are furious about reckless youth, while younger lefties blame it all on the Tories. With conspiracy nutters and small state libertarians blaming it on anyone in a position of power. Trying to be objective is difficult but it looks as though it’s incredibly hard to get any of this right. It’s an unsolvable problem where the balance between viral spread vs economic ruin is a nightmare to get right.
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Ha so true! My wife's parents (live in the Netherlands) were just saying how their cases spike are caused by reckless youths.

Was it pexbo who said you can tell what someone is going to post on this thread as soon as you've read their username? Its so true and also very true when it comes to the inevitable blame game for what we're going through.

I must admit though, I feel incredibly sorry for these kids. 18 years old and end up getting locked in, from a university experience that is already truncated. Really feel for them.
 
africanspur said:
Ha so true! My wife's parents (live in the Netherlands) were just saying how their cases spike are caused by reckless youths.

Was it pexbo who said you can tell what someone is going to post on this thread as soon as you've read their username? Its so true and also very true when it comes to the inevitable blame game for what we're going through.

I must admit though, I feel incredibly sorry for these kids. 18 years old and end up getting locked in, from a university experience that is already truncated. Really feel for them.
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Yeah, it’s bullshit. Horrible for them. From a public health perspective, it makes sense though. If covid is running rife in those halls it will probably save lives to keep it in an area where only young people live, rather than let them scatter to the four corners of the country where they can spread the virus to older, more vulnerable people in their household and neighbourhood. A good example of the damned if you do, damned if you don’t decisions we’re talking about.

Plus your politics will bias your take on this. With lefties furious about the way this move will ensure rental income for student accommodation landlords, while conservatives will focus on the students alleged partying.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, it’s bullshit. Horrible for them. From a public health perspective, it makes sense though. If covid is running rife in those halls it will probably save lives to keep it in an area where only young people live, rather than let them scatter to the four corners of the country where they can spread the virus to older, more vulnerable people in their household and neighbourhood. A good example of the damned if you do, damned if you don’t decisions we’re talking about.

Plus your politics will bias your take on this. With lefties furious about the way this move will ensure rental income for student accommodation landlords, while conservatives will focus on the students alleged partying.
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What's happening at Manchester is ridiculous. Manchester Met aren't managing this well.

However I do find it slightly soul destroying when we (I work at a Uni) make it as 'covid secure' as possible and introduce various measures etc - only to then see students completely ignore them.
 
Coxy said:
What's happening at Manchester is ridiculous. Manchester Met aren't managing this well.

However I do find it slightly soul destroying when we (I work at a Uni) make it as 'covid secure' as possible and introduce various measures etc - only to then see students completely ignore them.
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I've seen countless videos on my instagram this morning of people I know at Uni, having parties and piss ups in their halls.
 
Coxy said:
What's happening at Manchester is ridiculous. Manchester Met aren't managing this well.

However I do find it slightly soul destroying when we (I work at a Uni) make it as 'covid secure' as possible and introduce various measures etc - only to then see students completely ignore them.
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It must be so frustrating. Same thing for teachers in primary/secondary schools. So much work and effort trying to adhere to strict social distancing guidelines and the kids just don’t give a shit. They’re all over each other the moment they’re not supervised.

In a way, I think we just have to accept this as a given. For kids and young adults social distancing isn’t going to happen. Which does make me wonder if the best thing for the economy is to allow the reopening of all the businesses in which kids/young adults mingle. You have to question the logic of letting indoor play centres and night-clubs go out of business when we know that their usual customers will be squeezed together in private properties instead.
 
Coxy said:
What's happening at Manchester is ridiculous. Manchester Met aren't managing this well.

However I do find it slightly soul destroying when we (I work at a Uni) make it as 'covid secure' as possible and introduce various measures etc - only to then see students completely ignore them.
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Do you have plans in place for when outbreaks like this inevitably happen, e.g. a delivery system for essential supplies?
 
The most depressing thing for me, after the tragic loss of lives and livelyhoods is how we have a government that is blatantly corrupt, using this as an opportunity to line their pockets and those of their associates and when it comes to anything other than skimming off cash couldnt find their own arses with two hands and a map, yet a large swathe of the population would probably still vote the bastards in tomorrow if there was a snap election.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
The most depressing thing for me, after the tragic loss of lives and livelyhoods is how we have a government that is blatantly corrupt, using this as an opportunity to line their pockets and those of their associates and when it comes to anything other than skimming off cash couldnt find their own arses with two hands and a map, yet a large swathe of the population would probably still vote the bastards in tomorrow if there was a snap election.
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You're right. The Tories have got this wonderful ability to mess the country up, then point at Labour and say "Well it would be more messed up if they were in charge".
 
For me, they tried to get kids back to schools and colleges so the adults would be free to boost the economy again by getting back to work & a pattern etc. Adults have to spend alot on kids away from them aswell.

When it comes to parliament, the difference between peoples health and money isnt going to be much.

You can see it now, they close off everywhere apart from London. They continue with schools and Universities when its proven to be a place of growth for the disease etc.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It must be so frustrating. Same thing for teachers in primary/secondary schools. So much work and effort trying to adhere to strict social distancing guidelines and the kids just don’t give a shit. They’re all over each other the moment they’re not supervised.

In a way, I think we just have to accept this as a given. For kids and young adults social distancing isn’t going to happen. Which does make me wonder if the best thing for the economy is to allow the reopening of all the businesses in which kids/young adults mingle. You have to question the logic of letting indoor play centres and night-clubs go out of business when we know that their usual customers will be squeezed together in private properties instead.
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It is. We had staff furloughed who came back and spent a long time preparing our building - to then see all of their work is extremely soul destroying.

Brwned said:
Do you have plans in place for when outbreaks like this inevitably happen, e.g. a delivery system for essential supplies?
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Nothing to do with me (different department) but I'm sure we will have yes - especially after Manchester!
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Our sister hospital has “closed its doors” on any new admissions for the next 2 weeks because of a huge outbreak of COVID there that isn’t manageable. There is 70 confirmed cases of COVID there now.

So they’ve shut their Emergency Department (still open for walks in for those that can be treated for issues that can be dealt with and then discharge home - like an ankle injury) and they will defer all ambulances to the nearby hospitals.

Meaning my hospital’s Emergency’s Department will become extra busy for the foreseeable future as it now covers a wider range of area.
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Where you are based? This has happened to my local hospital and my grandfather is waiting for an cancer op appointment frustratingly.
 
One thing I have noticed the conspiracy theorists, rather oddly, galvanise around is the desire to get the economy up and running and getting back to work.

Yes, please, let us beg you governments of the world; we need to be free to be wage slaves. This virus shouldn't inhibit our ability to make money for corporations and the Uber-wealthy who reward us with a pittance.

And they call us sheep.
 
DavelinaJolie said:
One thing I have noticed the conspiracy theorists, rather oddly, galvanise around is the desire to get the economy up and running and getting back to work.

Yes, please, let us beg you governments of the world; we need to be free to be wage slaves. This virus shouldn't inhibit our ability to make money for corporations and the Uber-wealthy who reward us with a pittance.

And they call us sheep.
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Heh. Very good. It is interesting that conspiracy theory goons seem to coalesce around right wing views of the world. Although that makes sense if you think of it as a preference for small government. If you’re up to your neck in conspiracy theories then the smaller the influence of the state the better.
 
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