Indeed, Unfortunately the Tories spend most of that investment on their pals.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Indeed, Unfortunately the Tories spend most of that investment on their pals.
Its kind of like paying off war debt years after the war, something the UK actually has a few hundred years experience with (obviously 21st century economy is quite different from 20th, 19th, etc). You'll just have an amount of both interest on the accumulated debt and ideally a level of principal payment also. And over the years the government will have to tax more than it spends, whether that is raising taxes vs current, reducing expenses, or a combination of both. You don't have to pay that debt all the way down to 0, but you do have to for many years make progress towards repayment if you want the creditors to continue to trust you and extend both longer terms and better rates. You can prudently stop being more austere/conservative if many years down the line the economy has "grown into" the higher level of debt, to where the debt as % of GDP looks like it might have before all this.
We should be doing both better to be too safe.
UK 4422 cases and 27 deaths, very similar to yesterday.
Italy 1638 cases, 24 deaths. That's staying pretty steady, really.
We're back in England for a few weeks and I can honestly say I feel much safer in Italy, which is ironic seeing as the rest of Europe was watching Italy with horror back in March. People are bonkers here with the crowding and the lack of masks.
A relatively sizable jump in people in hospital:
Patients in Hospital: 894>953>988>1,048. 16th to the 19th respectively. (These are the latest figures at time of writing.)
Is there any factual data on percentage of infections that are hospitalised? I know at the beginning it was looking like 15% ish but that’s when the IFR was around 4-5% which, because of a large percentage of cases going undiagnosed, was heavily inflated.
If we had a good idea of this data then we could look at hospitalisations and get a good figure of how many cases are being underreported due to lack of testing etc
If we had a good idea of this data then we could look at hospitalisations and get a good figure of how many cases are being underreported due to lack of testing etc
She was from Leeds. Of course he did.
"Shit... Folk are still alive. Move on to Plan B!"
Hospitalisations depend on age structure as well. So can't use any data without analysis.
Daily infections in England were around 6.000 12 days ago, so maybe double that now.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ionsurveypilot/englandandwales18september2020
What kind of nonsense is this? "May have"??? Who determines if you may have something? Good luck with collecting fines when people are losing their jobs and the economy is getting ever worse. Not to mention Brexit about to create another issue with hardly any trade deals on the horizon.
Do people really agree with this?
Should have been stronger with the rules to start with
The “may have” refers to anyone who has been in close contact with someone who has since tested positive. They’ll be reached by track and trace.
The procedure is the same, except now, failure to isolate could result in a fine.
Exactly. This is getting bizarre. What if you’re asymptotic or have a slight cough, how are you meant to say with any degree of certainty that you’ve COVID. Especially in cold and flu season as well. Seems like the gov are just sticking shit at the wall hoping something works.
It’s only if you’re contacted by track and trace. It’s believed people are skipping self isolation despite being contacted.
Fair enough. That’s fine then. Sorry just looked the tweet.
It's difficult to get to those figures as only those that were being tested for covid were already in a hospital setting, it was some months later before we had community (pillar 2) based testing. I would hazard a guess that case levels were some 5-10 times bigger than what the official 'first' wave is reported as.
I would read the article & not the headline, its basically saying if you have a positive test or have been contacted by the test & trace unit to say that you've been in contact with someone then you need to self-isolate. If you don't then you risk the chance of facing a fine.
Considering where we are currently, I struggle to see any logical argument to be against making sure people self isolate if they have a positive test or have had contact with someone who has been tested positive.
Nothing to do with Brexit or trade deals, this is about basic common sense for the public. If you have it or have been close to someone who has it, stay at home and don't infect others.
yeah but considering a large chunk of the economy is based around leisure activities, from restaurants to pubs, to gyms, clothes stores... I'm guessing they would need to close and what happens to people who work there? Can we afford to support them? It's not a leading question I genuinely asking as I don't know.
Also, think its a bit disrespectful calling people drones who go to work, the country is reliant on tax incomes, its what pays for everything from the NHS to schools, to supporting benefits for those who are too vulnerable to work through this or have lost their jobs, its what would pay for any vaccine.....it isn't about being a drone
if you print money it decreases the value of your currency, countries debt are mainly based in dollars, so you don't lose any debt you just have to use more of your currency to pay it off.
Sprain and France 2nd waves seems to be hitting numbers worse than first wave? I get that there were likely many many unrecorded cases in first wave, but what causes such spikes?
Are they about to enter a 2nd lockdown?
presumbaly that’s exactly what’s coming to UK given we were always a few weeks behind their curves plus had similar post lockdown behaviours?
abit mad time see Germany allowing fans back into their stadiums!
Are they about to enter a 2nd lockdown?
presumbaly that’s exactly what’s coming to UK given we were always a few weeks behind their curves plus had similar post lockdown behaviours?
abit mad time see Germany allowing fans back into their stadiums!
I have thought this all along.
Might have means if you’ve been in contact with someone who definitely had it. You have to self isolate as you won’t know if you are asymptotic
Ah I see.Fair enough. However, they are hardly ever getting that fine as people are losing money right now hence my reference to folks losing money and nothing on the horizon to give us much hope things will improve in this respect.
Also, you can be around someone who is positive but not have the virus. Wouldn't it be better to test you to see if you're negative or positive, instead of requiring people to isolate just because they've come into contact with someone? It just seems more logical to me.
The issue isn’t so much the fine in the extreme measures of the case, it’s the fact that people who have tested positive or have been told to self isolate by test and trace aren’t doing so. Bolton’s case load (biggest in the country per 100k of people) can be attributed to just that, and the damage to the community and local economy it’s caused is significant.
There’s no logical argument to not be self isolating if you’ve been tested positive. It’s plain old selfish and negligent if you’re not isolating.
Don’t disagree with that approach, but the capacity for testing is woeful and doesn’t accommodate for all who do not have symptoms. This hasn’t changed from day one in its approach for self isolation. It’s just now they’re enforcing rules because people don’t want to follow the self isolation process, which causes a bigger challenge around the transmission rate.
Great, there's now Q-Gammons.
feck. Now hoping China’s vaccines prove to be successful.
I'm stating the obvious.
There is an increase in Covid-19 cases due to an increase in testing. It's pretty safe to say if more people took IQ tests there would be an increase in idiots too.
There is an increase in Covid-19 cases due to an increase in testing. It's pretty safe to say if more people took IQ tests there would be an increase in idiots too.
That's news that we were discussing a week or more ago, isn't it? Seems they are slow to report on this in the US.
In Italy they can send you to prison if you break quarantine after a positive test. I think you can get up to two years, there's an offence called "endangering the public health" or something similar. Drastic times, drastic measures.
I thought the first pause was due to MS which they determined the patient already had before starting the vaccine but it was undiagnosed?
Think more details have been released by astrazeneca.
I'm stating the obvious.
There is an increase in Covid-19 cases due to an increase in testing. It's pretty safe to say if more people took IQ tests there would be an increase in idiots too.
The main reason there is an increase in cases is that there are more people who have the disease.
I'm stating the obvious.
There is an increase in Covid-19 cases due to an increase in testing. It's pretty safe to say if more people took IQ tests there would be an increase in idiots too.
The number of hospital admissions is probably the best measure of how prevalent the disease is relative to the last peak (ie ignores testing limitations). That is also creeping up.
This is factually incorrect.I'm stating the obvious.
There is an increase in Covid-19 cases due to an increase in testing. It's pretty safe to say if more people took IQ tests there would be an increase in idiots too.
Government really need to push the 'work from home if you can', it really shouldn't of changed. Those that can do their job completely remotely should not be going to work.
Some companies have kept employees at home, others just chucked them back in the first moment they could.
Eat out to help out wasn't well thought out, it's summer half price on food on 'these days only' basically meant that those days had numbers that put friday/Saturday to shame.
Obviously the current case numbers are behind by a few days.
Then death numbers are usually a few weeks behind.
Government being reactive rather than proactive once more.
Back in lockdown before Christmas I bet.
Why the FECK is this not starting now?
Some companies have kept employees at home, others just chucked them back in the first moment they could.
Eat out to help out wasn't well thought out, it's summer half price on food on 'these days only' basically meant that those days had numbers that put friday/Saturday to shame.
Obviously the current case numbers are behind by a few days.
Then death numbers are usually a few weeks behind.
Government being reactive rather than proactive once more.
Back in lockdown before Christmas I bet.
- People in England who are told to self-isolate by NHS Test and Trace face fines of £1,000 - up to £10,000 for the worst offenders - if they fail to do so
- This includes those who test positive and those identified as close contacts of confirmed cases
- It also includes employers who force staff to ignore an order to self-isolate
- NHS Test and Trace will make regular contact with those isolating to check compliance
- The measures apply from 28 September and will be enforced by police and local authorities
- Those in receipt of benefits or on low income and who cannot work from home may receive a £500 one-off payment if self-isolating
Why the FECK is this not starting now?
Totally agree.
I never understood the change in messaging to “get back to the office” that a lot of Tories were saying in various media outlets. It’s either one or the other.
I bet the reason why those measures aren’t in effect yet is to give the economy one more week of income. It’s just stupid