SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Unfortunately us Brits are arrogant twats in general and the only way to get compliance to rules is enforcement . As a 54year old I find social distancing easy but a 20 year old me would have had to be enforced .
The movement of people from all corners of the country is a huge problem, the day out on the beach or up Snowdon. It is not the time on the beach or wherever you are outside but the stopping for food, petrol,toilets on the way with no system of testing or track and trace.
 
Met a girl from Leeds here in Poland last night.

She couldn't believe how open and normal everyday life is here, all bars and night clubs are open 2019 style. It was like seeing a kid in the candy shop at Christmas ... beautiful social observation ;)
 
Met a girl from Leeds here in Poland last night.

She couldn't believe how open and normal everyday life is here, all bars and night clubs are open 2019 style. It was like seeing a kid in the candy shop at Christmas ... beautiful social observation ;)

Did you.......?
 
Probably already been shared but an interesting thread


Some interesting patterns and analysis there. How accurate/plausible their proposals are I don't know, but I do think easier/simpler/gentler actions now are preferable to lockdowns/circuit breakers in a month's time. Rinse and repeat.
 
In most parts of the world there still seems to be broad support for putting in place restrictions when cases surge, however younger people are starting to chaff against it. The recent NZ outbreak had around 50% of cases aged below 30. Many people of that age aren't really concerned about the risk.

This is where it all breaks down, nowhere do the police have the ability to enforce this without overwhelming public support, if 10% people people decide to flout it, it's over.
 
Unfortunately us Brits are arrogant twats in general and the only way to get compliance to rules is enforcement . As a 54year old I find social distancing easy but a 20 year old me would have had to be enforced .
The movement of people from all corners of the country is a huge problem, the day out on the beach or up Snowdon. It is not the time on the beach or wherever you are outside but the stopping for food, petrol,toilets on the way with no system of testing or track and trace.

It isn't just the Brits - https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart...lative=0&logScale=0&perMillion=1&values=cases

Spain, France, Ireland, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Denmark, Austria, Portugal, Hungary, Malta, Slovenia etc
 
In most parts of the world there still seems to be broad support for putting in place restrictions when cases surge, however younger people are starting to chaff against it. The recent NZ outbreak had around 50% of cases aged below 30. Many people of that age aren't really concerned about the risk.

This is where it all breaks down, nowhere do the police have the ability to enforce this without overwhelming public support, if 10% people people decide to flout it, it's over.
The 50% of young people being in the recent outbreak we had here in NZ were a function of large families and a church connection. A decent number of them were under 15. It had nothing to do with young people being "irresponsible" or anything like that. It was a function of a true community based outbreak that didnt start at a bar or nightclub or any sort of recreational gathering. It was family based and connected. Large families. We had 2 deaths in this recent outbreak, the deceased were brothers.
 
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I tested negative for COVID. Text came through this morning. I’m not sure what it is. Probably just some other viral thing or whatever. But thanks for the kind messages again.
That’s good I guess?! My mrs just tested negative as she was selected for one of those antibody tests. It looks like the blood version of a pregnancy test.
they can’t be massively accurate because if they were, surely this is the best test to send to people - it shows whether you have it now and whether you did previously and gives a result in 10 mins.
I do feel bad that she tested negative for antibodies but I was pretty sure neither of us have had it anyway.
 
Met a girl from Leeds here in Poland last night.

She couldn't believe how open and normal everyday life is here, all bars and night clubs are open 2019 style. It was like seeing a kid in the candy shop at Christmas ... beautiful social observation ;)
I hope you socially distanced.. soMe things are worse than catching Covid, like listening to a dirty Leeds fan
 
Why haven't we already gone back to the limited capacity in shops thing with queuing again?

Face coverings should, in theory, negate the need to manage capacity in stores. Some are doing it still (the ones I run certainly are still, due to the longer than normal dwell time we experience).
 
Loads better. Treating for viral induced asthma and a suspected UTI. On a drip through the night as she was dehydrated. They just want to ensure she can last 4 hours between inhalers before discharge.

I've insisted on a covid test, as I'm front line NHS and won't be able to return to work for 14 days if she can't get a test. They told me that they can't do one, and have been given two different reasons why: don't have test available and she doesn't meet their criteria to be tested (inpatient criteria is currently different to the "get tested if you have a cough, high temp or loss of taste" message that we are receiving)

My wife is now bed ridden with the same symptoms, and we still can't get a test for her either.

Second child is back to normal, I have a sore throat but otherwise feel OK. So I really don't know. Possibly another seasonal virus that has triggered similar symptoms - but on a selfish pov, being unsure doesn't do me or my work any good.
Good to hear she's on the mend.
 
Not sure if that’s good news or bad (might be good to have developed some antibodies), but hope you’re feeling better
I suspect that I may have already had it in March where I was really poorly for 2 weeks straight. Shortness of breath, bad cough, temperature etc.
 
That’s good I guess?! My mrs just tested negative as she was selected for one of those antibody tests. It looks like the blood version of a pregnancy test.
they can’t be massively accurate because if they were, surely this is the best test to send to people - it shows whether you have it now and whether you did previously and gives a result in 10 mins.
I do feel bad that she tested negative for antibodies but I was pretty sure neither of us have had it anyway.
Yeah it’s good news I think.
I’m still feeling a bit off but much better than yesterday. Any idea when they’ll roll out antibodies test for the general public?
 
Yeah it’s good news I think.
I’m still feeling a bit off but much better than yesterday. Any idea when they’ll roll out antibodies test for the general public?
No idea. My partner has been tracking her wellness using the Imperial College app since March so I’m guessing they saw her as an ideal candidate - I have a feeling they are sending them out to people that have tracked zero symptoms to see how many may have been asymptomatic.
 
That’s good I guess?! My mrs just tested negative as she was selected for one of those antibody tests. It looks like the blood version of a pregnancy test.
they can’t be massively accurate because if they were, surely this is the best test to send to people - it shows whether you have it now and whether you did previously and gives a result in 10 mins.
I do feel bad that she tested negative for antibodies but I was pretty sure neither of us have had it anyway.
I was selected for one of them tests and it stated they are not 100% accurate which seems a bit pointless to be honest.
 
No idea. My partner has been tracking her wellness using the Imperial College app since March so I’m guessing they saw her as an ideal candidate - I have a feeling they are sending them out to people that have tracked zero symptoms to see how many may have been asymptomatic.
Ah right fair enough. That would make sense to be honest.
 
What's to stop the UK government from literally writing the debt off? They have the power to 'print money' essentially don't they?
 
You’re these useless cnuts in Governments dream.

Glad I'm in someone's dream!
Do I detect some political bias in your response?


Sorry mate, I misunderstood you , I agree . It is going to get worse very quickly though if cases are rising and there are no tests available.

Yes, the Government is ''behind the curve', however constant carping from political opposition and the media doesn't help.
For me its still a tale of common sense , we know the risks, we know what to do...crack on!

OK Mr Rees-Mogg. :) We'll ignore the fact that testing is known to be the key element to control the virus. And ignore that testing capacity hasn't increased for 10 weeks, despite the return to school being well known about.

Wish I had Rees-Moggs money! :rolleyes:
Testing is the key, agreed, so why are those who don't have symptoms clogging up the system... ? Its like the 'bog-roll buying madness' all over again!
 
Glad I'm in someone's dream!
Do I detect some political bias in your response?




Yes, the Government is ''behind the curve', however constant carping from political opposition and the media doesn't help.
For me its still a tale of common sense , we know the risks, we know what to do...crack on!



Wish I had Rees-Moggs money! :rolleyes:
Testing is the key, agreed, so why are those who don't have symptoms clogging up the system... ? Its like the 'bog-roll buying madness' all over again!
Am I biased against the Conservative party? Absofeckinglutely.
 
What's to stop the UK government from literally writing the debt off? They have the power to 'print money' essentially don't they?
If you write off debt then you become unable to raise new debt the second after that. See Argentina. If you print money you cause price inflation and devalue your currency (both effects are interlinked). A devalued currency is very very bad for a country that imports its food.
 
If you write off debt then you become unable to raise new debt the second after that. See Argentina. If you print money you cause price inflation and devalue your currency (both effects are interlinked). A devalued currency is very very bad for a country that imports its food.
What is the alternative? The first lockdown cost the country a lot of money and it's looking like we will need another one. What is the most plausible way of funding/paying for this?
 
If you write off debt then you become unable to raise new debt the second after that. See Argentina. If you print money you cause price inflation and devalue your currency (both effects are interlinked). A devalued currency is very very bad for a country that imports its food.

Yes, that is the risk and you only have to look at the Lebanese to see how quickly things go sideways.

It is possible if you have your own currency to simply print money to buy back the debt though and your currencies value is against other currencies so if other countries are forced to do the same then you can get away with it for a while. The problem is going be when one or more of the major economies put this behind them well before all the others do. At which point the correction is going to be very hard to manage. Also if you use a currency you don't control and can't just print the debt away you are going to struggle very badly indeed.
 
What is the alternative? The first lockdown cost the country a lot of money and it's looking like we will need another one. What is the most plausible way of funding/paying for this?

Proper austerity (Greece style) I guess?
 
What's to stop the UK government from literally writing the debt off? They have the power to 'print money' essentially don't they?
Right from the labour school of economics. The magic money tree. U might want to look at Venezuelas ecomomy to answer your question.
 
Testing is the key, agreed, so why are those who don't have symptoms clogging up the system... ? Its like the 'bog-roll buying madness' all over again!

I would take a guess at those with colds are getting tested thinking they have covid symptoms. My sister in law's school has had two year groups been sent for testing due a cold going around their school. It's difficult to determine who is 'clogging up' the system. Looking at the data again, testing demand has increased as schools have re-opened.
 
Right from the labour school of economics. The magic money tree. U might want to look at Venezuelas ecomomy to answer your question.
I wasn't suggesting anything should be done, merely asking a question about potential financial implications.
 
Right from the labour school of economics. The magic money tree. U might want to look at Venezuelas ecomomy to answer your question.

What rubbish. There is good value in investing wisely. Whether that be in people or infrastructure.