people criticising him for his poor performances or poor behaviour does not mean they "showed zero empathy for him losing his son"..
Sancho won’t return to Man Utd until he's ready - Way too much inappropriate speculation.
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people criticising him for his poor performances or poor behaviour does not mean they "showed zero empathy for him losing his son"..
!Where were you in 2005 when Ronaldo's father passed away ? That kind of emotional blackmail is weakest argument you could pull off. Keep blaming supporters for everything. United were the only club who wanted to respectfully pay him high wages he wanted in the first place. He was welcomed here better than Cantona after suspension despite visible decline in Juve.
Sancho will start playing on required level or he'll go. Newsflash for you - The times when club was constantly putting up to underperforming players for years is over.
Jordan Peterson ? I wonder what Doctor Phil has to say about this.
Being in similar circumstances is not a prerequisite to being compassionate and understanding even if you truly don't get it. Just my opinion.
Haven't read all the quotes in this thread but I haven't seen anyone say he should be immune from mental health issues (if he actually has mental health issues that is, people seem to be jumping to conclusions) due to his high wages.
Sell him next summer because that's what this is and what he wants. He's pulling a Pogba.
I have only 2 things to say. For the record.
1. I fully support the club/ETH in their efforts and of course Sancho.
2. Hopefully it's not mental health issue and it's more of an attitude issue (for Sancho's sake).
1. I fully support the club/ETH in their efforts and of course Sancho.
2. Hopefully it's not mental health issue and it's more of an attitude issue (for Sancho's sake).
I get what you meant but I love how the way this is worded makes it seem like signing for Ole was another negative thing or challenge he had to overcome
ETH mentioned how hard it is to get into the England squad for the WC which suggests to me Sancho was devastated in not making the cut which could have numerous knock on effects and is where the mentality issue comes in. Depression is a real thing in football and if there's any doubts the club needs to do all it can in resolving the issue. If that means time out for Sancho then fair play. There's no point having a player not in the right mentality as we all witnessed with Rashford last season. Confidence needs to be regained and hopefully Sancho comes out of it a stronger person.
But did anyone consider his mental state whilst judging his performances? They aren’t isolated to each other you know, the last 8 pages would tell you that.
Where were you in 2005 when Ronaldo's father passed away ? That kind of emotional blackmail is weakest argument you could pull off. Keep blaming supporters for everything. United were the only club who wanted to respectfully pay him high wages he wanted in the first place. He was welcomed here better than Cantona after suspension despite visible decline in Juve.
Sancho will start playing on required level or he'll go. Newsflash for you - The times when club was constantly putting up to underperforming players for years is over.
Jordan Peterson ? I wonder what Doctor Phil has to say about this.
Exactly what I've been trying to say. The state of this thread. Sancho has massively underperformed for us since he was signed, he is one of the highest earners at the club. This is not a situation the team tolerate.
Your own posts which are insinuating (even if not directly saying)
I'llmake a general point. Despite any amount of money, anyone can fall a long way due to mental health issues.
Read it again, it’s not your strongest point so keep trying until you get it.
Where were you in 2005 when Ronaldo's father passed away ? That kind of emotional blackmail is weakest argument you could pull off. Keep blaming supporters for everything. United were the only club who wanted to respectfully pay him high wages he wanted in the first place. He was welcomed here better than Cantona after suspension despite visible decline in Juve.
Sancho will start playing on required level or he'll go. Newsflash for you - The times when club was constantly putting up to underperforming players for years is over.
Jordan Peterson ? I wonder what Doctor Phil has to say about this.
He had a mental health problem and one of first things he did was to go to Piers Morgan to stir even more bad blood. Logical.
Sorry but I'm not entirely buying Sancho is the similar example to Ronaldo to compare with. It's almost disrespectful to Sancho who didn't attack the club at any means.
Sancho still got time to make it and he probably will, as for Ronaldo, people on the Caf reacted to the behaviour on the pitch, not the fact of his close one passing away.
Nice one for completely misreading my post - that couldn't be further from the point I was making.
Honestly, I think that it almost always can be assumed that these things are -- not -- about "something" happening. These things are common in society, I bet that in 95% of the cases it was not triggered by a specific event.
I think that it is much more likely to be about -- for example something like -- Sancho starting to have problems sleeping the day before a game when he was like 14 y/o and its something he has wrestled with "forever". That he always becomes really nervous before games, pukes or whatever. Or that he is constantly in pain, nothing major, but still enough to always wear on him. Or things like eating disturbances or stuff like that. Or that he really dreads it every time he goes on 'in society' because he is afraid of meeting people who will yell that he is an awful player. Like whatever. Then these type of issues can of course get aggregated by 'current events'. Family members getting sick. You aren't picked for the World Cup. A breakup. Or whatever. But that is not the issue causing it. The cause is 100% wear and tear over several years.
Think of it like this, the root problem is the body protesting mechanism falling into a constant state of alarm. If something happen, it can knock you down if it is extremely severe, but then you recover. A really bad teen break up, you can be down for weeks. If not longer. But then you recover. That is the natural result of evolution. A burnout is more like the body going -- 'OK, I warned you several times per week for 10 years and you didn't listen, suit yourself, take this if you can'.
I think its important to point this out because if you are in the position Sancho is in, I think its extremely common to think "if I take time off, people will think its because of X/Y/Z" and X/Y/Z being some recent event, some dirty secret or very traumatic event . It is not.
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What degree is that, then?
He's downed his tools. Plain and simple. He's had a month off to clear his head and try to get right and he still needs more time? This is him sulking after being left out of the World Cup. The time off has made him realize he wants out of the club.
Rashford remerging. Antony taken his RW job. Garnacho emerging. ETH wanting more attacking options . He wants back in the national side and staying here will keep him out because he isn't first choice for ETH
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probably not and people rarely do
100% of people are sympathetic for him losing his son, obviously
but its nonsense to criticise people for showing "zero empathy" on a seperate issue because they are critical of his footballing performances
Ronaldo acting like a massive twat on the interview didn't help either
One might question the intellectual prowess of anyone who lazily generalizes each of these players into the same sentence, knowing full well that each of their situations are radically different.
At the end of the day this is a ruthless business and if you can't help your side win matches you are expendable. I predict the club will give him time, provide empathy and understanding, and welcome him back. Unless he performs outstanding when he comes back, though, he'll be sold in the summer.
Now we need a striker, a winger, a cm, and a rb. The list keeps growing.
Now we need a striker, a winger, a cm, and a rb. The list keeps growing.
Is it though? Because it feels a little bit like you might be pulling things from your arsehole and holding them up to the light as fact.
Correct.
Shouldn't have to be pointed out (again and again).
If Ronaldo had come out stating that he needed some time off (or anything indicating that he was having a hard time coping), hardly anyone on here would have been unsympathetic. This isn't even hypothetical - there's zero doubt about it. The Caf is not a cesspit like Twitter.
(At the very least, people would have refrained from making harsh comments about him - even those who clearly don't like him very much.)
My biggest worry is this is a Deli Alli situation and it's simply a case of get all the wealth young and losing that motivation and drive that got you where you are.
I hope its not the case but I suspect sadly it might very well be.
I hope its not the case but I suspect sadly it might very well be.
I get what you meant but I love how the way this is worded makes it seem like signing for Ole was another negative thing or challenge he had to overcome
Well given the way Ole's last season (Sancho's first) panned out, you can't blame him for being traumatised. He thought he'd joined a football club and it turned out to be a clown circus.
So no relevance. Got it.
Yup. More and more I read what people post here these days and think ‘what a twat of a post’.
So far detached from reality It’s untrue.
Well we always seem to end up with the wrong type of players, players whom, for one reason or another, are unsuited to play in a team who is aiming to seriously compete for top honours.. Considering that we're definitely won't win anything with so many sob cases around then maybe we should consider creating the empathy cup. I'd suggest we call it the Ole cup in the honour of the guy who helped assemble this great squad.
You’re full of shit
Why are you behaving like a spoilt cretin?
Yet you are the one insulting the poster
We don't know whether Ronaldo was in any real crisis or not. Or the extent of such a crisis. The poor performances started long before that, and are better explained by his age.
Thinking Ronaldo is a normal human being, mentally, is a mistake. He's a massive narcissist.
You are right. We shouldn't expect players to do their job in the same way many had been doing for decades despite having issues of their own
(including myself). My apologies.
As said the empathy cup is really needed here. That's one this team can reach the final for
Nice try.
Let’s knock it off with the insults (whether intended or not)
Sounds like Sancho is soft like butter and doesn't have the mentality to survive and thrive at United.
I did not see any sympathy for when maguire's performances plummetted or calls for a world wide support club, the prognosis, was/is that he needs to be sold.
So I think the same applies to sancho, we need to move on off our books the same way we quietly moved on Dan James and pretend the transfer didn't happen
I did not see any sympathy for when maguire's performances plummetted or calls for a world wide support club, the prognosis, was/is that he needs to be sold.
So I think the same applies to sancho, we need to move on off our books the same way we quietly moved on Dan James and pretend the transfer didn't happen
That's the best this squad can do. Hopefully a new owner + ETH will change things around
Does it sound like that? Which words do you think make it sound like that? It read to me like Ten Hag sent a player on a specialist training regime during what is essentially the off-season. I didn't get any dairy vibes.
You're right about Maguire, he was treated appallingly by a large section of our Internet-based fans. Let's try and do better!
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