Samuel Umtiti

Kostov said:
I can's say he is poor in the air, since I haven't watched him play every week and as you say they are very dominant and doesn't have much to do, also the spanish league is different to the PL. But he looks short for a CB, shorter than Bailly and that worries me in a potential partnership.

I agree about Smalling, he is our only dominant CB in the air. What Skriniar rumours?
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If he has a good leap though then it shouldn't be a problem, like I say I've not seen enough of him at Barca to judge, I actually saw more of him at Marseille, and he reminded me more of Bailly and Jones, very agressive, all action CB, on that basis I'm not sure he'd be the right fit, I feel like we could do with finding a calmer Rio type to pair with Bailly, a compliment rather than a carbon copy.

We were linked with Skriniar around January and we're supposedly the club that offered €60M for him in the window.
 
As others have mentioned, it's such a long shot and he's settled at Barcelona. Did as lot of agent work to bring Dembele alongside with him and I don't see him leaving him alone there now. It's good that the club would try to jump on the opportunity to try to snatch him away, it'd be a hell of a coup considering he's been one of Barcelona's best piece of business, but I just don't see it.

I think Mourinho will get Varane, his favorite defender, to leave Madrid and come play for him.
 
Devil may care said:
If he has a good leap though then it shouldn't be a problem, like I say I've not seen enough of him at Barca to judge, I actually saw more of him at Marseille, and he reminded me more of Bailly and Jones, very agressive, all action CB, on that basis I'm not sure he'd be the right fit, I feel like we could do with finding a calmer Rio type to pair with Bailly, a compliment rather than a carbon copy.

We were linked with Skriniar around January and we're supposedly the club that offered €60M for him in the window.
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You mean at Olympique Lyon, he played there before Barca. We practically share the opinion then, he probably has a big leap and he can adapt since he is very talented, but still I would be much more confident with someone more dominant, and different to Bailly.

I've not seen much of Skriniar bar the youtube compilations, so can't comment. If we bring a CB it should be either a clear upgrade on what we have, or a young guy with world class potential. Otherwise it's pointless.
 
I think we have very little chance of signing him but, I am shaking my head at anyone who would not want us to sign him. He has been one of the best CBs in Europe this season and he is just entering his prime. Barca will eventually get him on a new contract but, he would be a no brainier if available.
 
Kostov said:
It a facebook video with poor quality, but something I was sent by a friend.
He has a big leap indeed. @Devil may care
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Thanks for the vid, he does have a hell of jump on him, so that aspect wouldn't be an issue, and you're right, I meant Lyon, got mixed up lol. Like you though I'd prefer a CB like say Alderweireld as I think he'd bring aspects Bailly lacks at the moment and compliment his strengths.
 
Infordin said:


At this moment, the best defender in the world.
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Simply brilliant. He was dirt cheap too. We have to hit his clause, offer a higher salary than barcelona. who is his agent? We should have been making good contacts with him right now.
 
Samuel Umtiti: Barcelona played too defensively against Chelsea

"We tried to defend well, but we defended too much for my liking," the centre-back told French television.

"Our game is more [about] going forward, playing in our opponent's half. But the most important thing is we qualified. We suffered, but that will serve us well in the matches to come."

http://www.espn.in/football/barcelo...celona-played-too-defensively-against-chelsea

Yup, he's totally coming here :wenger:
 
We take suffering to a whole new level Samuel, it will serve you well for 7 lifetimes :drool:
 
Sanche7 said:
Samuel Umtiti: Barcelona played too defensively against Chelsea

"We tried to defend well, but we defended too much for my liking," the centre-back told French television.

"Our game is more [about] going forward, playing in our opponent's half. But the most important thing is we qualified. We suffered, but that will serve us well in the matches to come."

http://www.espn.in/football/barcelo...celona-played-too-defensively-against-chelsea

Yup, he's totally coming here :wenger:
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Christ. Can you imagine his reaction if he'd been playing for us on Tuesday.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Isn't he the RM equivalent of Phil Jones?
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Younger and played more games in his career. Also averaging around 40 games a season for the past 4 seasons. For me, I'd love a defender who is good in the air and is able to organise a a defence, as that's basically what we're lacking. Once we take Smalling out, we become have numerous issues with defending dead ball and crosses, with him in we lack a leader. Seems people are jumping on the latest hyped player (who is obviously going to sign a new contract at Barca) and not actually looking at the needs of the team.
 
Jones - Smalling - Rojo - Blind
The bottom line is, we can ship any 3 of those off and it wouldn't do us any harm whatsoever....
If we could recover £40/£50m in fees that would be like a dream come true, and should be thrown at one genuinely outstanding CB, whether or not that would be Umtiti.
Personally, I'd be chomping at the bit for the Summer window to get cracking on the task.
 
Ikon said:
Jones - Smalling - Rojo - Blind
The bottom line is, we can ship any 3 of those off and it wouldn't do us any harm whatsoever....
If we could recover £40/£50m in fees that would be like a dream come true, and should be thrown at one genuinely outstanding CB, whether or not that would be Umtiti.
Personally, I'd be chomping at the bit for the Summer window to get cracking on the task.
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That would leave us with just Bailly, New Signing, Lindelof and Tuanzebe at CB. I think we'll need more cover there as our CB's tend to get injured a lot. Personally I'd prefer we ship out Blind and Smalling. Keep Jones as he and Bailly seem to combine very well and keep Rojo as he's tenacious, left-footed and he can play at left-back too in case of emergency.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
That would leave us with just Bailly, New Signing, Lindelof and Tuanzebe at CB. I think we'll need more cover there as our CB's tend to get injured a lot. Personally I'd prefer we ship out Blind and Smalling. Keep Jones as he and Bailly seem to combine very well and keep Rojo as he's tenacious, left-footed and he can play at left-back too in case of emergency.
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No it wouldn't. I suggest you read my post again. Then redo your maths..! ;)
You also point out that our CBs are injury prone...Yes exactly, its the CBs that I have listed that are the CBs that are injury prone...!
So are you are suggesting that we retain injury prone CBs because our CBs are injury prone..? Haha :rolleyes:
 
Ikon said:
No it wouldn't. I suggest you read my post again. Then redo your maths..! ;)
You also point out that our CBs are injury prone...Yes exactly, its the CBs that I have listed that are the CBs that are injury prone...!
So are you are suggesting that we retain injury prone CBs because our CBs are injury prone..? Haha :rolleyes:
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You could very well argue that Bailly is injury prone as well. Missed more than half the games since he's been here I believe.
 
Ikon said:
No it wouldn't. I suggest you read my post again. Then redo your maths..! ;)
You also point out that our CBs are injury prone...Yes exactly, its the CBs that I have listed that are the CBs that are injury prone...!
So are you are suggesting that we retain injury prone CBs because our CBs are injury prone..? Haha :rolleyes:
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You're right, I missed one. My bad ;) My suggestion that we retain another CB was based on my faulty calculation. My point was we need at least 5 CB's, which we would have. So you're right. Ditch three of them.

harms said:
He can't. When he plays at left back he himself becomes an emergency.
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Well, say Young and Shaw are our two left backs and they're both injured. Who'd you pick to play there then? Mitchell?
 
Sanche7 said:
Samuel Umtiti: Barcelona played too defensively against Chelsea

"We tried to defend well, but we defended too much for my liking," the centre-back told French television.

"Our game is more [about] going forward, playing in our opponent's half. But the most important thing is we qualified. We suffered, but that will serve us well in the matches to come."

http://www.espn.in/football/barcelo...celona-played-too-defensively-against-chelsea

Yup, he's totally coming here :wenger:
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:lol::lol: We can officially rule ourselves out I think.
 
The release clause of €60 mill is a steal.

If the market value of a defender is reflected by Spurs demanding €50 mill for Toby that imply that a world class central defender will cost €12,5 mill a year (very few central defenders can keep it up after 33). To simplify, lets just assume that the €10 mill extra for Umtiti is due to him actually being quite a bit better (and less injury prone) and that their salary demand is roughly the same. Considering that Umtiti is four year younger than Toby Alderweireld you could argue that it would be cheaper to offer Umtiti a sign-on of €16 mill, further €16 mill if he extends his contract to 2026 and €16 mill as a "lojalty bonus" in 2026 if he his still at OT by then.

Umtiti would then cost Man Utd a bit more than €13 mill a year and a slightly higher basis salary (not adjusted for the fact that a "dollar today is worth more than one tomorrow"). But at the other hand you would get a lot better player and probably four of the best years in his carrier (while with Toby, you would get four years in decline). Furthermore, Umtiti appear less injury prone at this point in time.

This illustrates the issue with buying players around the age of 28-30. You could pay so much more for a younger player. In this case the younger player has releause clause, that could allow us to give the money to the player in an attemt to tempt him.
 
No way he's leaving Barca, some genuine silliness on this thread. No idea why people need to harp on about signing players who we've got zero chance of getting.
 
Red_toad said:
No way he's leaving Barca, some genuine silliness on this thread. No idea why people need to harp on about signing players who we've got zero chance of getting.
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That's because he has a release clause.
 
NikSab said:
That's because he has a release clause.
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And? He's negotiating a new deal. Absolutely loves living in Spain, so people are simply wasting their time dreaming about him joining United, it won't happen. Barca are very keen to retain him, so it'll happen.
 
The release clause is pretty handy in that you can turn a players head, and when you add greedy agents/family members to that equation anything is possible. Do Barcelona want to sell him? No. Does the player himself want to leave? Maybe, but most likely not.

Umtiti is a great player and maybe the best in the world for a left sided CB.

Additionally,it’s been way too long since this has been posted;

 
Red_toad said:
And? He's negotiating a new deal. Absolutely loves living in Spain, so people are simply wasting their time dreaming about him joining United, it won't happen. Barca are very keen to retain him, so it'll happen.
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While I agree with pretty much everything you have said, all of the above could have been said about Neymar as well at one stage.

Have to have some optimism, I didnt ever think we would sign Pogba or Sanchez either.
 
Arbitrium said:
The release clause is pretty handy in that you can turn a players head, and when you add greedy agents/family members to that equation anything is possible. Do Barcelona want to sell him? No. Does the player himself want to leave? Maybe, but most likely not.

Umtiti is a great player and maybe the best in the world for a left sided CB.

Additionally,it’s been way too long since this has been posted;

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I remember watching that game, what an absolute screamer.

Back on top topic, what a very good and sensible signing this would be.
 
Everybody at Barca will want a pay bump if Umtiti gets a raise after being there for 5 minutes.
Messi renewal / Coutinho / Griezmann ties the clubs hands imo. He may not come to us but the closer this gets to a world cup summer, the liklier he is to leave.
 
cyberman said:
Everybody at Barca will want a pay bump if Umtiti gets a raise after being there for 5 minutes.
Messi renewal / Coutinho / Griezmann ties the clubs hands imo. He may not come to us but the closer this gets to a world cup summer, the liklier he is to leave.
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Not at all. He's surpassed all expectations there. Given he came from Lyon, he must be on very low wages whilst he's been their best defender by far this season. The renewal will be easy.
 
@Varun
But he's looking at joining the financial tier behind Messi (Isn't that everybody else? I don't understand the point Sport are trying to make there)
By my rough maths he seems to be asking for close to 200k a week which isn't a small bump nor does he have any ties to Barca that makes you think he genuinely wouldn't leave.
I suspect Barca wouldn't be too unhappy if he left provided they can sign a quality, cheaper alternative.
 
cyberman said:
@Varun
But he's looking at joining the financial tier behind Messi (Isn't that everybody else? I don't understand the point Sport are trying to make there)
By my rough maths he seems to be asking for close to 200k a week which isn't a small bump nor does he have any ties to Barca that makes you think he genuinely wouldn't leave.
I suspect Barca wouldn't be too unhappy if he left provided they can sign a quality, cheaper alternative.
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I've not read any reports tbh. A 200k/week demand, if true, is unlikely to go down well but I doubt that's what he's after.
 
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