He also has 7 assists. Berahino's league record isn't anything special. 12 goals in 28 matches. Compare that to Lacazette's 21 goals in 24 matches. Lacazette is either scoring or creating a goal every game.
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He also has 7 assists. Berahino's league record isn't anything special. 12 goals in 28 matches. Compare that to Lacazette's 21 goals in 24 matches. Lacazette is either scoring or creating a goal every game.
OK fair enough. I think Berahino is a promising young player but I hope we can get someone better
I agree but the difference is the teams would he have those stats at WBA I doubt it. Also would Harry Kane or Costa have the amount of goals they have this season if at WBA.
His overall league record for Lyon is closer to 1 in 3 so he is improving on the player he was at 21. I personally think that is in the locker of Berahino also.
I like Lacazette from the small amounts I have seen him and not denying he looks class however I don't see him wanting to join United anytime soon. I see him going to Spain and Real in a year or two following the Benzema route.
Maybe we skip an out and out striker all together and go for Depay who also has an incredible scoring record this season and is also more comfortable out wide.
I will like this signing because it reminds me of a not superstar, but has the potential to be a good player for United sort of signing Ferguson would make. Moreover, he is the type of pacey player we need upfront. I have overlooked some of his performances, but since their appears to be rumors of our interest, I will start to take note of it.
However, we need to balance up our front line, as such, we need to flog Falcao, Van a Persie, Fellaini and Smalling to another club this summer. I am only kidding about the latter...and maybe Fellaini aswell. A strike force consisting of:
Rooney, Dybala/Barahino, Wilson, and Benteke/Fellaini
Will be perfectly balanced.
However, we need to balance up our front line, as such, we need to flog Falcao, Van a Persie, Fellaini and Smalling to another club this summer. I am only kidding about the latter...and maybe Fellaini aswell. A strike force consisting of:
Rooney, Dybala/Barahino, Wilson, and Benteke/Fellaini
Will be perfectly balanced.
Benteke and Fellaini? I hope I never live to see that.
Benteke/Fellaini means Benteke or Fellaini so he'd want to sell Fellaini and buy Benteke.
Ah I see. Still, Benteke isn't good enough.
They are their just to add power and height to our attack. It is all about balance and determining which striker is best to use against your opposition. I think both Benteke and Fellaini are good target forward and having one of these players their will give us another dimension in our attack
Bit harsh that one, he left for a club that matched hid level and ambition, I can imagine the 30 million transfer put an end to Kenwrights sobbing in the board room.
Berahino is exactly the type of player we need up top but I'm yet to be convinced he's good enough and he would be an expensive punt. He's done very well for himself so far though.
Probably. I don't think we'll be in for him and I definitely doubt Arsenal would be in for him. I think he'd be a decent buy for us though, I'd still fear he'd just be the next Defoe though i.e. a good league player who isn't really good enough to win you trophies. I'd much prefer someone like Vietto who seems like he could be one of the top forwards in the world.
"This country gave me a second chance in life.
"I came to this country and it has provided me and my family with a safe place, and a better place to live in. It has given me a chance to perform what I want to achieve in life.
"I feel very lucky that my family and West Bromwich Albion have looked after me and guided me. I will be very proud and honoured to represent England."
http://www.sport24.co.za/Soccer/International/Berahino-thankful-to-England-20141107
Half the Ajax squad were at the game yesterday as well. Maybe we're buying them.
Nah, he was only 18 he could of given us a few more years. Also he left us on or around deadline day leaving us no time for a replacement for a team that had just finished 17th. He was a huge blue and he is still is i think so he could of handled it a lot better than leaving us in the shit relegation threatened. 30 million was underselling him anyway, 50 would of been about right.
I really wouldn't mind Berahino. As other have said, it would be very much like a SAF signing. A young player with potential.
However, when it comes to playing one up top, I wonder if he's got the overall attributes to lead the line, like Costa, Lewandowski, etc? I'm not sure he has, at the moment, and is much better with a strike partner.
However, when it comes to playing one up top, I wonder if he's got the overall attributes to lead the line, like Costa, Lewandowski, etc? I'm not sure he has, at the moment, and is much better with a strike partner.
If he has a short time on his contract he should defintley be considered.
I don't think that would his job, he's be part of a front 3 with Rooney as the central #9 I think, but there are many better options in that regard.
I used to just think he'll be another Jermaine Defoe based on a very small amount of MOTD highlights (I'd usually switch off before West Brom are shown). Having actually paid attention recently I've realised he has unbelievably good technique for an English player and is actually built like a brick shithouse. Jermaine Defoe he is not.
As I just posted, he's actually a very powerful player (I hadn't realised, maybe other people had...) so I don't think he'd have a problem bullying defenders and leading the line himself. But his link up play is also good as he's shown with Ideye recently, which would be handy as no one wants Rooney in midfield.
You mean as an inside forward/winger?
Yes, kinda like Neymar for Barca or Sterling for Liverpool.
Not exactly subtle sitting in the stands with your agent, so much so that it will mean nothing.
I don't personally think we need a striker, but if we were to buy Berahino, he'd play up top as a no.9, otherwise there'd be no point getting him.
If we want a winger, we should buy one separately, unless we can maybe kill two birds with one stone.
Modern strikers in a front 3 are supposed to be versatile, like the ones I mentioned or players like Vietto, Fekir and Dybala, a front 3 is not a #9 and 2 wingers when done properly. it would be pointless buying him as a #9 as we have Rooney and Wilson and most probably RvP will still be lurking around. I personally doubt Berahino has the game to play like the players we have mentioned play in a front 3, which is why I think he'd be a waste of money.
I have to be honest, I make a point of avoiding West Brom games, so I havent seen much of him, other than noting him hitting the back of the net fairly reguarly on skysports replays, I dont like to look at black and white goalscoring or assist stats, they can be misleading in the extreme, He has pace which we lack in the final 3rd but is he really an effective no.9? or can he play wider? I've not seen enough of him to know, would we have to play with two up top to fit him? I've no clue about his overall build up play which I find as important as actually being able to put the ball in the back of the net.
Just to add, to those knocking Kane, I understand the wisdom of wanting more than 1 season to justify his status, of course, but from what we've seen this year he looks very good generally in his teams build up as he does putting chances away.
Just to add, to those knocking Kane, I understand the wisdom of wanting more than 1 season to justify his status, of course, but from what we've seen this year he looks very good generally in his teams build up as he does putting chances away.
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Versatile? Or maybe you mean interchangeable, which is two different things, in my opinion. Strikers in a front three, or maybe a 4231, will sometimes have to move into to different positions, but that doesn't mean you'd ask them to play that role. For example, Costa often pulls out to the left when Hazard comes in, but he's anything but a LM/LW.
It depends how the team plays. If it's a team where the wingers play wide, then it will be. Bayern play like this with Lewandowski. PSG with Ibra. I mean, you play to the their strengths.
Exactly, which is why we should just buy a specialized winger instead.
As for Berahino, he wouldn't be my first choice if we were to get a striker, but not because of the reason you suggested. Berahino is very interchangeable, and has played, both on the right and left for England U21's and West Brom.
Selling Welbeck and buying Berahino... With 6 million fee Plus another 12 million or so in wages on falcao in between... It sounds so stupid I can't believe we might do it.
Nothing against Berahino but I'd have much sooner kept someone from our own academy
Nothing against Berahino but I'd have much sooner kept someone from our own academy
Hes better than Welbeck though tbh
Berahino is a much better striker than Welbeck.
Indeed, he's scored more goals this season than Welbeck ever has and maybe even ever will.
Have you seen the way Liverpool and Barca's forwards play? All can play as the central man or as the wide forward in their front 3 and do it well, none of them bar Sterling have any credentials as wingers, I call them versatile forwards, but if you want to call it interchangeable then ok.
Again have you watched much of Bayern this season? They don't play that way at all, you rarely ever see Ribery or Robben putting a cross in or hugging the touchline, they are always cutting inside to link up or shoot, it's why Robben has more goals than Lewandowski, they are inside forwards, the width comes from the FB's Benat and at the moment Rafinha driving down the line. The PSG example is on point but I'd rather not see us play with that style personally.
It's not a wingers we need but wide forwards/inside forwards IMO, I don't want a player whose game is about hitting crosses in all afternoon.
Yes I have seen him play in the wide areas and he's pretty poor at it as he doesn't have the skill set required.
Don't think he's a top four striker.
We had this debate about Shaw long enough last summer
.....most of the players don't care about thatOf course I've seen the way Liverpool and Barca play. They're interchangeable. Versatile to me, would mean players who can play in a number of set positions. ST, CAM, LM, RM, CM, CDM.
I haven't seen much, no, but enough to know how they and Guardiola plays, and that Ribery and Robben are not inside forwards. I mean, are you only looking at Robben's goal return to come to the conclusion that he's not a winger? Or maybe you think a wingers job is to just get crosses in?
Robben and Ribery start wide, in a wingers position, where they can stretch teams. Yes, when they get the ball they often cut in and link up play or shoot. When they haven't got the ball, they will look to make darting runs from between the full back and centre back. That's what wingers do. That does not mean they're inside forwards. Inside forwards, start narrow, and more or less play like second strikers. For example, look at the way Liverpool play with two players just in behind the striker. That's what I would call inside forwards.
Below is a heat map of Coutinho's touch map against City
http://epl.squawka.com/liverpool-vs...-2015/english-barclays-premier-league/matches
Now look at the different between Robben's touch map in Bayern's latest game against Hannover
http://b-liga.squawka.com/hannover-96-vs-fc-bayern-mnchen/07-03-2015/german-bundesliga/matches
Now, from looking at the two touch maps, it's clear to see that the both players share different jobs. One starts narrow, one starts wide.
As for you not wanting us to not want us to play with the same style as PSG, well, like I said, we have to play to our strikers strengths, and PSG play some pretty attractive stuff, at times.
Rooney, in my opinion, is closer to the likes of Lewondowski, Ibra, etc, in the way he likes always play down the middle, drop off and link up play. I think he'd make for a great false number 9 if he had wingers around him, who keep the width, and make runs in behind the defence, where Rooney can use his passing range to find them.
We clearly have different ideas of what a winger is.
Because he's not a winger.
We had this debate about Shaw long enough last summer
And Zaha before that.
Ok then, I think being effective in all 3 different forward positions is versatile but interchangeable works for me as well, not a big deal.
I haven't seen much, no, but enough to know how they and Guardiola plays, and that Ribery and Robben are not inside forwards. I mean, are you only looking at Robben's goal return to come to the conclusion that he's not a winger? Or maybe you think a wingers job is to just get crosses in?
Robben and Ribery start wide, in a wingers position, where they can stretch teams. Yes, when they get the ball they often cut in and link up play or shoot. When they haven't got the ball, they will look to make darting runs from between the full back and centre back. That's what wingers do. That does not mean they're inside forwards. Inside forwards, start narrow, and more or less play like second strikers. For example, look at the way Liverpool play with two players just in behind the striker. That's what I would call inside forwards.
Below is a heat map of Coutinho's touch map against City
http://epl.squawka.com/liverpool-vs...-2015/english-barclays-premier-league/matches
Now look at the different between Robben's touch map in Bayern's latest game against Hannover
http://b-liga.squawka.com/hannover-96-vs-fc-bayern-mnchen/07-03-2015/german-bundesliga/matches
Now, from looking at the two touch maps, it's clear to see that the both players share different jobs. One starts narrow, one starts wide.
As for you not wanting us to not want us to play with the same style as PSG, well, like I said, we have to play to our strikers strengths, and PSG play some pretty attractive stuff, at times.
Rooney, in my opinion, is closer to the likes of Lewondowski, Ibra, etc, in the way he likes always play down the middle, drop off and link up play. I think he'd make for a great false number 9 if he had wingers around him, who keep the width, and make runs in behind the defence, where Rooney can use his passing range to find them.
We clearly have different ideas of what a winger is.
Ok you have written a lot here and I'm not looking to short change it but this comes down to how we use the term winger. Maybe it's just the way it's been ingrained in me but a winger is a chalk on the boots player whose game is heavily built around getting crosses in for me. Robben and Ribery are what I term wide forwards, always moving inwards not outwards, looking to link play and score goals.
As for Rooney as a false 9 with two wide forwards running in behind, I think it could work and in truth most of the players I have listed as alternatives to Berahino would fit that.
Or a wide forward or an inside forward and thus he'd be a pointless signing as a low rent Rooney back up #9.
I guess that's what it is.
It would be a pretty pointless signing. Especially, if we were going to use him out wide too.
We had this debate about Shaw long enough last summer
everyone seems to have misunderstood my post. I'm hoping he's a United fan as a reason for him being at the game. As in I don't want him.Signing these type of players is exactly the reason why we have a squad full of average players now.
The people saying we must sign him now will probably open threads in a couple of years time and complain how top clubs signed top talents like Dybala and Vietto and we signed Saido fecking Berahino.
The people saying we must sign him now will probably open threads in a couple of years time and complain how top clubs signed top talents like Dybala and Vietto and we signed Saido fecking Berahino.
I would take him tomorrow and at £20 it would be a good deal.
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