Saúl Ñíguez \ Joins Chelsea on loan

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Fabrizio said we have in contact for 24 hours and he's in our list. That means there is something on it. And if it's true he's available on loan with option to buy that could be a good strategy for midfield transfer. If it doesn't work out then we don't need to active the clause.
To be honest Romano is the only one who have constant faith or perhaps solid knowledge we'll actually do something about midfield this year.

Competition for Camavinga must be overwhelming if we're starting contact with other clubs and their players... perhaps we'll contact Neves soon as it's getting closer to deadline day.
 
We don't know how Tuchel would use him. There's a good chance that he is 3rd choice behind Kante and Jorginho, potentially 4th choice behind Kovacic. Tuchel rotates a lot so even being 4th choice I think he would get minutes.

There has been a lot of talk about getting someone to give Kante rest. Currently that is Kovacic. It could be Kovacic and Jorginho rotate and Kante and Saul rotate or Kante and Kovacic. I do not think Ampadu or Loftus Cheek is going to be able to keep that position?
 
To be honest Romano is the only one who have constant faith or perhaps solid knowledge we'll actually do something about midfield this year.

Competition for Camavinga must be overwhelming if we're starting contact with other clubs and their players... perhaps we'll contact Neves soon as it's getting closer to deadline day.
It's constantly been reported he doesn't want to come here. That's probably the reason we're moving on to other players.
 
Meh. Not really a deep-lying midfielder and doesn't replace Fred in the lineup. Also doesn't allow us to use Pogba deeper.
 
Meh. Not really a deep-lying midfielder and doesn't replace Fred in the lineup. Also doesn't allow us to use Pogba deeper.

Why does everyone want to replace Fred when, when he came off at the weekend, it all went to pot in midfield.

Why do you want to move Pogba deeper when he's been playing incredible well in the free roam role?
 
I think the only reason Saul is being looked at is it is a loan. It creates a stop gap to go after Rice next season.
 
It's constantly been reported he doesn't want to come here. That's probably the reason we're moving on to other players.
Tchouameni, Saul, Neves. If we won't at least try for these three, we should try Bissouma bid near deadline day before we'll totally give up on midfield this year.

It's not looking good, I honestly thought this summer we're having wide choice of candidates for our midfield and time to comfortably pick the right one after smooth deal for Varane.
 
I haven't seen him play for a number of years, but from what I remember, he's the perfect player to help implement a high tempo play style. And I think if we signed both Saul and Camavinga (doubtful) then a double pivot of Saul and Camavinga could potentially work, and in conjunction with Bruno, Pogba, Sancho, Cavani could be the making of a fantastic team with high functionality.
Me neither; the Saul I knew of would have been a no-brainer to acquire, but if he’s dropped off since then, I can see why clubs are waiting the window out to get him on the cheap.

But we’ve left things so late now that getting him in as a body is far more desirable than having the window close and going in with what we’ve got.
 
Tchouameni, Saul, Neves. If we won't at least try for these three, we should try Bissouma bid near deadline day before we'll totally give up on midfield this year.

It's not looking good, I honestly thought this summer we're having wide choice of candidates for our midfield and time to comfortably pick the right one after smooth deal for Varane.

We don't have any money left though without selling some players. And we can't sell them due to wage demands.

Bissouma is probably going to cost a club 45m minimum.
 
Me neither; the Saul I knew of would have been a no-brainer to acquire, but if he’s dropped off since then, I can see why clubs are waiting the window out to get him on the cheap.

But we’ve left things so late now that getting him in as a body is far more desirable than having the window close and going in with what we’ve got.
Agreed.

But it does look like we're looking to sign someone for the midfield, which is a positive in itself. And that could really galvanize us as a collective if we can bring someone in who can knit it all together from midfield.
 
I've seen plenty of Atletico games in the past few years, and what strikes me most about Saul is his versatility. He isn't a pure DM, but he can exercise defensive duties, and he can easily play in a double pivot, as a 8, as LCM and AM. So basically, he can replace anyone in our starting 11. That's a valuable player to have in the squad.

Is he good? Yes, even though last season was probably his worst, he's still 26, so technically entering his prime.

Would he make us a better team? Not much, but yes. Just replace Matic or Fred for him in Southampton's match and we would have had a better midfield.

A loan would suit us, because if it doesn't work, then he would just return to Madrid, but if works we exercise the but option. Also, with Pogba potentially leaving for free next summer, he would be his replacement.

We would still need a pure DM, but we can try Rice again next summer.

After saying all of that, i think he goes to Chelsea.
 
We don't have any money left though without selling some players. And we can't sell them due to wage demands.

Bissouma is probably going to cost a club 45m minimum.
Varane deal shouldn't drain us completely, while we're probably still short on funds for one more big signing... perhaps if we didn't give Jones and Matić new contracts this shouldn't be such a problem now.

Since Donny and James staying 100%, I just can't see Lingard trying to get regular time in United. It's just crazy to think about it, he should just ask for a move and stop deluding himself. What's more crazy, Ole looks like he doesn't even know if player is staying or going.
 
How will he get minutes in a team that has Kovacic, Mount, Jorginho and Kante ahead of him? He's only got to be better than Matic to get a game for us.

You can take Mount out of that conversation. We will use a two man pivot and with the amount of energy Tuchel demands from that pivot you need four players rotating for those two positions.
 
Matic's performance at the weekend might just be rustiness, or it could mean his legs are truly gone. In which case we're going into this season with Fred, McTominay and maybe VDB as our midfield options. Even if Saul doesn't look like he'd solve our DM problem, at least he'll be another option for us to use in midfield.

And Pogba. He’s still a better CM than any of our others and as good as he has played on the LW he can still make great passes from the CM position.

I’d have much rather seen Pogba Fred at the weekend with Sancho, James, Greenwood, Martial etc up front than Matic playing.
 
Why does everyone want to replace Fred when, when he came off at the weekend, it all went to pot in midfield.

Why do you want to move Pogba deeper when he's been playing incredible well in the free roam role?

I have been thinking the same. Does not make any sense when it is clear as daylight, that Pogba thrives in a free roam position and that Fred is not the real problem in midfield. Matic is, and if McT or Fred are out, then we're in trouble.
 
well it looks liek Cunha to Atleti is a done deal so Saul will certainly want to move on and i'm sure Simeone will want to move him on as well


a loan with an option to buy would be ideal....he's better than Matic, Fred or Scott.
 
We do have the money most likely but we probably have to hold some back if we want Haaland or Mbappe next summer. They won't come cheap, we don't have limitless oil money
Yeah sure, but it’s akin to any of us going on a shopping trip with a peripheral budget, a: ‘I really like this but I shouldn’t be spending so much’ and then a: ‘I’ll have to tighten the purse strings for a few months if I fork out for this’ scenario. We’re not struggling on a £50m outlay paid over a number of years, where of course, you turn it to the eye-watering amounts at the top end of the market, and you could even expect us to bow out of the market for a while, but for literal selling to buy.

We’ve done superb business up to this point in time this window; we’re not beyond the peripheral budget stage as the Sancho money and deal was planned for from last summer - we’ve even done better out of that than if we got him for the figures touted last summer, actually.

I think if we get the green light on a specific player we want, outside of brinkmanship with the selling club to get him for the best price possible, we’ll have no hesitation in snapping him up, sales made, or not.
 
I still think he is a good player and it would probably be beneficial to him moving on. Simeone has that habit of running players into the ground and Saul has also constantly been moved around, with him not really having a fixed position due to his versatility. On top of that he is 26, he could have his best years ahead of him or just about enter his prime. There are other players I'd prefer, but at this point I'd be happy with anyone that isn't Matic.
 
Agreed.

But it does look like we're looking to sign someone for the midfield, which is a positive in itself. And that could really galvanize us as a collective if we can bring someone in who can knit it all together from midfield.
Badly needed. Not only to save McFred from burnout, but also to stop us stuffing Pogba into a role to bail out those two because we’ve got nobody else to play there.

Until I see Ole use VdB, I won’t even think of him as a body.
 
And Pogba. He’s still a better CM than any of our others and as good as he has played on the LW he can still make great passes from the CM position.

I’d have much rather seen Pogba Fred at the weekend with Sancho, James, Greenwood, Martial etc up front than Matic playing.

You saw Pogba Matic at the weekend and we couldn’t get the ball. Pogba is an ok CM and an excellent attacker. Let’s keep going while we are getting positive match winning performances out of him. Putting him back in CM is a waste of his talent and it’s a bandaid on a bullet hole. We need to invest in specialists if Ole insists on playing a 2 instead of kicking the can down the road with Pogba.

Yeah sure, but it’s akin to any of us going on a shopping trip with a peripheral budget, a: ‘I really like this but I shouldn’t be spending so much’ and then a: ‘I’ll have to tighten the purse strings for a few months if I fork out for this’ scenario. We’re not struggling on a £50m outlay paid over a number of years, where of course, you turn it to the eye-watering amounts at the top end of the market, and you could even expect us to bow out of the market for a while, but for literal selling to buy.

We’ve done superb business up to this point in time this window; we’re not beyond the peripheral budget stage as the Sancho money and deal was planned for from last summer - we’ve even done better out of that than if we got him for the figures touted last summer, actually.

I think if we get the green light on a specific player we want, outside of brinkmanship with the selling club to get him for the best price possible, we’ll have no hesitation in snapping him up, sales made, or not.

i think it’s definitely more that we have a bloated squad and the responsible thing to do is make some space if any more players are coming in. More to do with that than money
 
We've spent over 100 million on 2 players that are likely on some of the highest wages. It's not crazy to think that we recoup some cash on a bloated squad before we invest further. Even chelsea and city operate like this....

I have a feeling Sancho's money came out of last summer's transfer kitty so I think there may be money left.
 
I would take a loan with buy option. Not a huge fan of his, but he's roughly on par with McFred, maybe a bit more reliable on the ball so he could at least give us that energy and with a loan see how he does. Camavinga would be great to actually sign, I'd take either Ruben or Saul with just a loan though.
 
This one is a Pass for me. Still a great player but his best days are behind him. In addition he doesn't really solve our need for a controlling type of midfielder nor does he offer the Kante type of a DM.
 
I still think he is a good player and it would probably be beneficial to him moving on. Simeone has that habit of running players into the ground and Saul has also constantly been moved around, with him not really having a fixed position due to his versatility. On top of that he is 26, he could have his best years ahead of him or just about enter his prime. There are other players I'd prefer, but at this point I'd be happy with anyone that isn't Matic.

This is the key thing for me.

People turning their noses up at Saul (Neves or Camavinga) are basically saying they're happy to go with what we saw at Southampton. At this point McTominay is our best option in the double pivot. When he's not there we turn to absolute muck. That's a shocking state of affairs. As much as I like Scott he wouldn't get into Chelsea, Liverpool or City's first teams.

Its hard to think of many top class players who wouldn't improve the situation. Saul may effectively be Atleti's Phil Neville. However, for us, he'll be a first XI centre midfielder. Easily.
 
He may very well choose us over Chelsea because he sees a clearer path to the first team. I have to say I would love to see him and Van de Beek or McTominay in a double pivot (with Saul sitting a bit deeper, and VDB a bit further up the pitch) behind Pogba, Ferndanes, Sancho and Greenwood. That would look really strong.
 
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