Getting a DM in is crucial before the window closes imo as it can also unlock Donny.
Otherwise we're stuck with McFredic again
Otherwise we're stuck with McFredic again
Saúl Ñíguez \ Joins Chelsea on loan
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If Pogba is leaving next summer and Matic and Mata almost certainly doing so too then we’ll need a couple of midfielders so loaning Saul this season and buying him next summer along with a pure defensive midfielder and also Haaland makes sense.
I hope Chelsea get Saul, if PSG get Camavinga then I hope we sign Neves.
I think he'd be the biggest success at United.
I think he'd be the biggest success at United.
When was the last timed we genuinely loaned a player for just 1 year? We never do business unless we're aiming to keep them.
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Don't see that as a bad thing at all. If we want to win competitions, we need to learn to play that way as well (defensive & compact).
Falcao too
Unlock Donny so we can send him out the door, you mean?
Saul on loan for the season
neves or bissouma bought on deadline day and things will look much brighter.
neves or bissouma bought on deadline day and things will look much brighter.
For me, Niguez is a Champions League level player, I think he is quality, easily head and shoulders above McFred and Matic.
I don't know about his form in recent months, but that wouldn't concern me too much, form is temporary blah blah blah...
To land Sancho, Varane and Niguez in one transfer window, even I would have to begrudgingly take my hat off to that.
Saul, along with all the other midfield targets we are linked with, is not a DM. If we simply want a DM and not a creative midfield player then there are a few kicking around who could be had for around 20m but I don't think it is what we want or need. Our system requires 2 B2B midfielders who can pass and have defensive discipline, our current options are falling short and that includes Donny, a DM won't change his game.
Yeah he's probably the only one I can think of, even he stayed for over 1 year
True, we signed him with an option to buy though. He was so crap we sent him away.
We just don't really use the loan market like some clubs.
This, we need 2 midfielders. I'd say we need 2 regardless of whether Pogba stays or not.
We have money to run the club of course. Don't think our transfer budget is quite what you envisage. We lost 168m from Covid. The most of any PL club.
To keep spending this summer I don't think we do,no. Not without selling first. And that's been reported by a few different sources.
You only need to look at our accounts to see that a 100m pound net spend is sort of our limit financially. I am even surprised we spent that much this summer.
Mejbri will be that second one inside of couple of years. And we will buy one. This summer or next summer. Hopefully this.
Ole might be of the opinion that with Varane now at the club the need for a specialist DM Isn't there. We might continue to play with two CM's in that role as we have done only with Saul maybe being one of the two.
Not saying I fully agree with this but he's the manager and he makes the calls.
Not saying I fully agree with this but he's the manager and he makes the calls.
I’m at the point whereby any midfielder would do, to be honest.
He just seems like a slightly better version of Ander Herrera. This signing wouldn’t really get my muppet juices flowing.
Good god, I didn't need reminding of that debacle.
Ole doesnt want a DM, he wants two no. 8 as double pivots. He was just bluffing with his more attacking 433, to appease the fans
Thanks Mike Phelan, always wondered if you had an account on here.
If he can’t get in the team after last weekend then he’s doomedNot that i really want Saul, but can we sign him in time to start at Wolves on Sunday? Matic and Fred scares me
This kind of reads like the Erikson link at the window 2 years ago. Doesn't feel like there is anything substantial and our name may be being used to speed up Chelsea process.
Saul at his best is twice the player Herrera was. Whether he can reach that level with a fresh start elsewhere is the question.
United or Chelsea would have one hell of a player if he can rediscover his best form.
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Finding it odd people being picky about what midfielder we should get out of a DM and another of type that resembles McFred when our situation is bad enough that we need one of each ideally, but if that's not possible we need another body regardless be that the vaunted DM or 'just' another CM. We're threadbare.
it’s quite nostalgic fretting about central midfielders, like the good old days
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Finding it odd people being picky about what midfielder we should get out of a DM and another of type that resembles McFred when our situation is bad enough that we need one of each ideally, but if that's not possible we need another body regardless be that the vaunted DM or 'just' another CM. We're threadbare.
It's more the qualities Neves brings to the table, the fact he's grossly underrated online gives further confidence as many have held the same concerns to league players who have gone on to do well for other clubs.
Let's hope we come through with another Carrick, then!
It's the weirdest saga at the moment, though:
- Matic, who doesn't even look like a PL player anymore.
- Van de Beek, who it seems was an utterly pointless, undesired pick up.
- Pogba, who we really should be utilising in an attacking capacity first and foremost.
- McFred, who it's almost universally agreed is not a league-challenging pairing and who are ineffective without each other.
- a bunch of kids we shouldn't be throwing in the deep end.
A long-term injury to McFred and I think we're in big trouble as things stand, which is a real shame when the other areas of our side are now good enough to hold their end up in a title challenge.
I think McTominay is underrated as a No 8. He is not the most technical but is fast, strong and has great stamina. Our best player in the EL final.
Pair him with Rice or a more technical player and our midfield is not world class but at least much improved.
You jealous of my job as assistant manager?
Said this to a few people today. Mctomminay isn't a fancy name from an Exotic place so immediately that makes him 'not good enough'.
However I thought he was our best player in the pivot of any of our choices last season and he weighed in with 8 goals too. More than Pogba, Matic, Fred or Donny.
I think he's shown a steady upward trajectory, and in the Fergie era, he'd be ushered in as one of the squaddies probably over a longer timescale, but wouldn't be a midfielder we have to depend on like now.
In some ways, it's unfair he hasn't had a stable environment to develop in - he's learning on the job with nobody in midfield to guide him, which is an invaluable factor in what the latter day Scholes did.
He should be able to do a job next to a superior midfielder, but there's still areas of his game that need shoring up, which is problematic if we're to believe this is a title-challenging season as it/he will cost us just by way of learning, which in and of itself isn't the problem (errors and failure ultimately lead to growth and correction), but in terms of key moments in games could be an issue.
If McFred so happen to be dissolved, I think it's Fred who will keep his place, as he's our best harrier, and although with fault, is a better specialist.
With Garner and Mejbri coming through added to McTominay, Fred and VDB IF he’s staying then I think we only need one midfielder IF Pogba stays as Pogba CAN play in a double pivot against smaller clubs playing low block and parking the bus against us.
I mean let's be honest if we get a DM Pogba will be back in midfield beside him and not Donny.
And rightly so.
I know Pogba is better where we use him now but as a team once Rashfords back it'll be the better setup imo.
Practically all our Midfielders would in fact be better beside a DM
For me a proper CDM or box to box midfielder should have been or primary target this window. It is by far our biggest weakness as a squad and dictates the options we have in style of play.
Of the names mentioned I would rather us for for Neves as he is PL proven and brings the qualities we currently lack.
That being said, I'd take Saul on loan with an option to buy if that is all we have available, although I'm not sure he is exactly what we need.
Frustrating that we seem to have a number of players in the squad reluctant to play first team football elsewhere, happy to pickup their inflated wage packet from United. Whilst they are within their rights to do so I find it crazy to think you have such a short career and are happy to be nowhere near the team. They will be rich wherever they go.
Of the names mentioned I would rather us for for Neves as he is PL proven and brings the qualities we currently lack.
That being said, I'd take Saul on loan with an option to buy if that is all we have available, although I'm not sure he is exactly what we need.
Frustrating that we seem to have a number of players in the squad reluctant to play first team football elsewhere, happy to pickup their inflated wage packet from United. Whilst they are within their rights to do so I find it crazy to think you have such a short career and are happy to be nowhere near the team. They will be rich wherever they go.
Fred costs the team way more games though.
His highs are a measly 7/10 and his lows which happen too much are full on 1/10 games
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