Ryan Giggs | United confirm he's left

[KGBhoy]

Gutted. Hopefully he can find his way back into the club after successful experience in lower leagues.
Too many great moments to mention. My favorite has to be the FA Cup goal against Arsenal in 1999!

 

[Americano]

And according to Van Gaal and various journalists Giggsy is cosy with, Giggs was promised the job and feels it's poor form that he's not being given that chance.

That seems to be the way he interpreted the "promise". But it wouldn't have been an unconditional promise, right? IF Van Gaal instills his Philosophy and builds a winning side that can financially sustain the club through CL qualification, when he is done then you can continue his work. Obviously that failed and the club is in a much different position (football & financial) than expected, one which Giggs is not qualified to deal with.

 

[Sandikan]

Could have stayed for life if he'd picked the right lower role, and been satisfied with that.
But clearly wasn't, and has higher ambitions, so will have the chance no doubt to be the big man.

Certainly couldn't just keep hanging about regime after regime, especially underwhelming ones.
It does make you wonder what LVG was on saying so definitely that Giggs would follow him.

 

[TehRed]

It's a shame that he isn't part of the club any more, but United was never going to be the correct way for him to begin his managerial career. Im looking forward to him building a career away from us and hopefully he can become successful enough to re-join us one day and finally achieve his dream of managing the team.

The only way the club loses is if he becomes a good enough manager to take the reins for us, and then chooses not to.

 

[nikineil]

It's a shame that he isn't part of the club any more, but United was never going to be the correct way for him to begin his managerial career. Im looking forward to him building a career away from us and hopefully he can become successful enough to re-join us one day and finally achieve his dream of managing the team.

The only way the club loses is if he becomes a good enough manager to take the reins for us, and then chooses not to.

100% this.

 

[spwd]

Could have stayed for life if he'd picked the right lower role, and been satisfied with that.
But clearly wasn't, and has higher ambitions, so will have the chance no doubt to be the big man.

Certainly couldn't just keep hanging about regime after regime, especially underwhelming ones.
It does make you wonder what LVG was on saying so definitely that Giggs would follow him.

Because old loony LVB thought he was a success so expected the plan to carry on

 

[Rory 7]

Anymore of an era than say Scholes retiring or Keane/Beckham leaving?

Giggs is obviously a legend but life goes on. People aren't saying great news because they personally hate the man. They just think it's the right move given the nonsense that has been touted for the past three years.

No not any more. But did you see 'great news' being posted when Scholes, Neville or Keano retired?

 

[acnumber9]

There's no changing your minds anyway.

Let's just see his next job shall we. Why dont you bet a tenner on his team winning the league. Let's see what you see in them.

You probably are one of those few that thinks moyes will become the next fergie

That's a smashing way of avoiding the question. Those not writing off Giggs are no less stubborn than you are. At least we're willing to wait and see.

 

[Minimalist]

No not any more. But did you see 'great news' being posted when Scholes, Neville or Keano retired?

All those were players.

Giggs retired two years ago. This about him leaving to go do something with himself as a coach/manager, instead of expecting to be handed the United job.

When I personally said, "good news". I meant for all parties.

 

[Attila]

Shearer just criticized Giggs' analysis over England players having everything done for them and said it was too simplistic. Showed that quite a few of the players in the England squad came through lower league teams

 

[united_99]

Shearer just criticized Giggs' analysis over England players having everything done for them and said it was too simplistic. Showed that quite a few of the players in the England squad came through lower league teams

Shearer wants the England job and is as little qualified for it as Giggs for the United job.

 

[Attila]

Shearer wants the England job and is as little qualified for it as Giggs for the United job.

I agree. He's an idiot for thinking he is a candidate for the England job when all he's done is 5 years of match of the day and 2 bad months at Newcastle. He was right about what Giggs said though

 

[Americano]

He showed a level of loyalty to Man Utd that his Brother & Ex-Wife can only dream of....

 

[POF]

Trophies won by Ryan Giggs during his Manchester United playing career:


Premier League: 13 (1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2013)

FA Cup: 4 (1994, 1996, 1999, 2004)

League Cup: 3 (1992, 2006, 2009)

Champions League: 2 (1999, 2008)

Club World Cup: 1 (2008)

Intercontinental Cup: 1 (1999)

European Super Cup: 1 (1991)

Community Shield: 9 (1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2013)

Total: 34

(Giggs did not play in the 1991 European Cup Winners' Cup final or 2010 League Cup final)

Incredible record. He was a top class player for United and a great club servant.

It is sad he is leaving but it seems to be the best move for all involved. Woodward seems to have handled the whole situation really badly. It's a shame because Giggs could have been a big asset under Mourinho.

 

[Telegram Sam]

Wish him all the best with whatever he decides upon.

Can't say I'll really miss him, mind. It's strange. He debuted before I was even born, so has been an ever present. But I've never really felt any affection towards him like may do.

 

[Ban]

Incredible record. He was a top class player for United and a great club servant.

It is sad he is leaving but it seems to be the best move for all involved. Woodward seems to have handled the whole situation really badly. It's a shame because Giggs could have been a big asset under Mourinho.

How so?

 

[IBleedRed]

He isnt.

Watford might win the epl and cl after. Just because it's mathematically possible doesny meant he'll end up as those 3 i mentioned

There's a reason why i say he wont make it. It's not hate or dislike. But in any given occupation being the top 3 in the business is not a given, it's 3 in thousands.

You dont expect a 20 years google employer to suddenly replace steve jobs dont you? No matter how much he learnt from job. Some people are born to be successful.

I wasn't trying to imply anything to the contrary

 

[edcunited1878]

People tend to have difficulty understanding that the game goes on whether or not you're playing in it or involved in it through coaching. There is no sympathy for Giggs once he retired as a footballer because he made his status as a footballer, not a football manager.

Giggs the player, nothing to question or doubt. Giggs the coach, everything to question. Martinez, Rodgers, Woy Hodgson...they've all been more successful than Ryan Giggs the coach or manager until Giggs really gets years under his coaching belt and puts himself through the ringer a the highest level. Until then, Giggs is a nobody when it comes to managing and coaching.

 

[Revan]

How so?

If things go bad blame Woodward. Or Glazers. Or both.

 

[sunama]

I don't think Woodward would hire Giggs as manager. Especially as someone like Ancelotti might be available then.

Indeed. It's pretty obvious now, Woodward doesn't give a damn about what the Old Guard think.
They said yes to Giggs. Woodward thought NO WAY.
They said no to Jose. Woodward thought YES PLEASE Jose.
Basically, the opposite way of their (old fashioned) thinking.

He and the Glazers have clearly learnt from the Moyes disaster. They now hire staff based on their CV, which ensures only those with appropriate experience and skills, get the job.
The disaster which was Moyes (jobs for the boys, chosen by the Old Guard), has seen to it that it won't be repeated anytime soon.

And the other thing about "we always give our managers time" - this too, has been ditched for a more modern way of thinking...and rightly so.
We had Moyes who was an absolute disaster. He was fired in 10 months.
We then had LVG who spent more money in 2 years, than probably any other club in the World, to finish 4th and 5th. Fired.

A serial winner has now been hired and Giggs (who was involved with LVG and to a lesser extent Moyes), has been given the boot.
It's pretty clear now: Results are what count. If you have a strong CV, you can get a job with MUFC. If you then perform badly having got the job, you'll be fired.

 

[Chorley1974]

Incredible record. He was a top class player for United and a great club servant.

It is sad he is leaving but it seems to be the best move for all involved. Woodward seems to have handled the whole situation really badly. It's a shame because Giggs could have been a big asset under Mourinho.

I don't think there's any evidence of this. He was a great player but has done feck all since to demonstrate he should be kept on the coaching staff. If we are really serious about challenging again Maureen needs to be given free hand to appoint his staff. The fact he also says feck all to the media as to his aspirations fecks me off, great player but just leave.

 

[stevoc]

Sad that he's leaving but hope he's successful elsewhere. One of my favourite ever players, few things were more exciting than seeing Giggsy flying down the wing.

Trophies won by Ryan Giggs during his Manchester United playing career:

League Cup: 3 (1992, 2006, 2009)

(Giggs did not play in the 1991 European Cup Winners' Cup final or 2010 League Cup final)

Do you have to play in the actual final to get a medal though?

He played in both legs of the Semi-final did he not so he contributed to us winning it.

 

[Sky1981]

That's a smashing way of avoiding the question. Those not writing off Giggs are no less stubborn than you are. At least we're willing to wait and see.

Not really. All the against giggs as manager has laid out in details as to why we dont want him, and why we don't think he'll be the one we need.

But you keep on being using childish kindergarten argument like "oh yeah, how do you know that? Can you proof it?"

It's like saying dude... Speeding is dangerous, and you reply... But i haven't crash yet

Give it a rest. He's gone. Most of the against him has wish him well anyway

 

[Stack]

Not really. All the against giggs as manager has laid out in details as to why we dont want him, and why we don't think he'll be the one we need.

But you keep on being using childish kindergarten argument like "oh yeah, how do you know that? Can you proof it?"

It's like saying dude... Speeding is dangerous, and you reply... But i haven't crash yet

Give it a rest. He's gone. Most of the against him has wish him well anyway

You havent actually answered his question, all you have done is divert to another side of things and insult him by calling his argument childish.

the person being childish here is the person who hasnt actually answered the original question and then resorting to insults.

 

[m1y2]

its good for him to find a new challenge, he would be stuck again as an assistant manager or as U21 coach, which in fact wouldn't be a bad decision imo, but now he can find something in which he can prove if he's good enough, on a side note he was part of the failed tenure of LVG, not giving him any stick but ..

wish him well

 

[Sky1981]

You havent actually answered his question, all you have done is divert to another side of things and insult him by calling his argument childish.

the person being childish here is the person who hasnt actually answered the original question and then resorting to insults.

It's been answered to death by everyone why we think giggs wont make a great coach. Keane/ole/bruce/hughes, even his 4 games are shit. His punditry is nothing to be proud off. His 3 years coaching tenure is fruitless.

Doh.

How the feck do you answer it? Scientific? Lab test? Time machine?

You could put eddie howe as united manager! How can you know he wont be successful?

 

[Reggie74]

Hope United do something special for as he's a club legend. Good luck to him to wanting to find something that means more to his career.

 

[129104946]

I said it before it all happened nothing good could have came from him taking the assistant manager job under Moyes and LVG. Glad he can get a new role somewhere else. Definitely a decision that benefits both parties.

 

[Stack]

It's been answered to death by everyone why we think giggs wont make a great coach. Keane/ole/bruce/hughes, even his 4 games are shit. His punditry is nothing to be proud off. His 3 years coaching tenure is fruitless.

Doh.

How the feck do you answer it? Scientific? Lab test? Time machine?

You could put eddie howe as united manager! How can you know he wont be successful?

He asked you a particular question and you are answering an entirely different question because you read his original question and the little voices in your head interpreted it as something entirely different.
it was a simple and direct question, you arent answering it in reply to me because you are so confused and befuddled you are simply arguing with the voices in your head as usual.
Go back, find his orginal question to you and give that some thought. None of your replies since have been related to that original question.
Comedy hour as usual. Just gold.

 

[AndyJ1985]

In hindsight he should have left with Ferguson and made a fresh start somewhere else. I'd have been sad to see him go then, but it would have been the right time. For me Giggs' career and the "United way" that everyone prattles on about ended with Ferguson. I loved Giggs the player; he was one of my favourites when I was growing up. But when he became Giggs the assistant that's when the romance of it all ended for me, and why I'm not at all sad about him leaving now. The last 3 were a new chapter in our history and one that Giggs played a part in, and when I say it's great news that he's leaving, it's based solely on those 3 years and absolutely nothing to do with the 26 years before.

 

[Sky1981]

He asked you a particular question and you are answering an entirely different question because you read his original question and the little voices in your head interpreted it as something entirely different.
it was a simple and direct question, you arent answering it in reply to me because you are so confused and befuddled you are simply arguing with the voices in your head as usual.
Go back, find his orginal question to you and give that some thought. None of your replies since have been related to that original question.
Comedy hour as usual. Just gold.

Ok wise man. Enlighten me.

You can see through people destiny? Yes?

Maybe you should apply to become manchester united manager. And say "how do you know I'm not born to be succesful"

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

This is a pretty open and shut case;

Eddie: Jose, do you want Ryan to remain as part of your staff.
[Maybe there were conversations, maybe there were not, we'll never know I doubt]
Jose: No. He isn't as good as the staff I have in mind. Staff that I trust. Staff that I have won with before.
Eddie: Ok, we'll draw up the papers

There's no issue there. If a fresh from Aberdeen Ferguson walked in the door tomorrow and had witnessed the horror show of the past 2+ years in the media relating to Giggs he wouldn't have spent a second thinking about whether or not to keep him on.

I'm ok if Giggs' personality makes him p1ssed he didn't get the job. I don't care if he thinks he could do a better job that Jose. But we have a new manager, he can do whatever he likes, until it's proven not to work.

 

[itso 7]

Incredible record. He was a top class player for United and a great club servant.

It is sad he is leaving but it seems to be the best move for all involved. Woodward seems to have handled the whole situation really badly. It's a shame because Giggs could have been a big asset under Mourinho.

Its Mourinho who decided he didn't want Giggs as assistant, how is that Woodward's fault?

 

[K2K]

Indeed. It's pretty obvious now, Woodward doesn't give a damn about what the Old Guard think.
They said yes to Giggs. Woodward thought NO WAY.
They said no to Jose. Woodward thought YES PLEASE Jose.
Basically, the opposite way of their (old fashioned) thinking.

He and the Glazers have clearly learnt from the Moyes disaster. They now hire staff based on their CV, which ensures only those with appropriate experience and skills, get the job.
The disaster which was Moyes (jobs for the boys, chosen by the Old Guard), has seen to it that it won't be repeated anytime soon.

And the other thing about "we always give our managers time" - this too, has been ditched for a more modern way of thinking...and rightly so.
We had Moyes who was an absolute disaster. He was fired in 10 months.
We then had LVG who spent more money in 2 years, than probably any other club in the World, to finish 4th and 5th. Fired.

A serial winner has now been hired and Giggs (who was involved with LVG and to a lesser extent Moyes), has been given the boot.
It's pretty clear now: Results are what count. If you have a strong CV, you can get a job with MUFC. If you then perform badly having got the job, you'll be fired.

Basically this.

I just want us to hire the best people for the job .

One of our greatest managers post was was a former City player. Our worst is a former United player.

Hire people based On what they have achieved managing ,and not who they used to play for. The United job is now simply too big to be given to novices.

 

[dogwithabone]

Basically this.

I just want us to hire the best people for the job .

One of our greatest managers post was was a former City player. Our worst is a former United player.

Hire people based On what they have achieved managing ,and not who they used to play for. The United job is now simply too big to be given to novices.

It should always be the absolute best person attainable and anybody who thinks Giggs would be the pick over Mourinho is away with the fairies.

Let's see what he does in his next couple of jobs and then maybe in five years time when hes nearing 50 he could come under consideration again. One of those jobs in that time though will have to be at a PL club, there's no chance of United recruiting a manager outside of any top division.

 

[Ixion]

It's sad as along with Charlton he's probably the biggest playing legend in the history of the club but I don't really feel anything for him leaving. I always thought it was odd when he was made assistant manager and we had this plan for him to take over, he never struck me as a manager type when he was a player. I saw nothing during Van Gaal's time here either that endeared me to him, he never spoke to the press or came out in support of Van Gaal, felt like he was hanging him out to dry. I think it's better for the club he leaves.

 

[dove]

Incredible record. He was a top class player for United and a great club servant.

It is sad he is leaving but it seems to be the best move for all involved. Woodward seems to have handled the whole situation really badly. It's a shame because Giggs could have been a big asset under Mourinho.

There is a reason Mourinho didn't want him near the first team (if we believe reports). I think he had a chat with LVG about Giggs and I feel LVG was not very positive about him. LVG always discussed things with his other Dutch mate during matches so it's really difficult to say if Giggs had any role at the club at all... And we just can't ignore the fact that he was part of the staff during 3 years of failure. So I don't think he would have been useful to Mourinho at all. Hopefully I am wrong but I don't think Giggs will make it as a manager. He just doesn't have any personality at all (at least from what we see in media, maybe behind the scenes he is completely different, just like in personal life? ).

 

[itso 7]

It's sad as along with Charlton he's probably the biggest playing legend in the history of the club but I don't really feel anything for him leaving. I always thought it was odd when he was made assistant manager and we had this plan for him to take over, he never struck me as a manager type when he was a player. I saw nothing during Van Gaal's time here either that endeared me to him, he never spoke to the press or came out in support of Van Gaal, felt like he was hanging him out to dry. I think it's better for the club he leaves.

Especially the double standard that was applied on LVG by our legends compared to Moyes. I mean LVG agreed to give Giggs his big coaching break but when shit hit the fan the things our legends came out with in support of Giggs when LVG was still fighting to save his last job was disgraceful. Contrast that with the media silence that characterized Moyes' reign the bias is apparent.
I know some will jump at my throat for saying this but I will say it either way, Giggs got what he deserved because through his silence he was complicit in the media attacks on LVG. The people who were dancing on Van Gaal's grave were his mates so he could have either put a stop to it publicly or by the usual means of deliberate briefings. I repeat this again, Van Gaal gave Giggs his biggest coaching break and all he got in return were disrespectful attacks from people close to Giggs. Any other manager would have noticed just as Jose has done and gotten rid.

 

[Stack]

Ok wise man. Enlighten me.

You can see through people destiny? Yes?

Maybe you should apply to become manchester united manager. And say "how do you know I'm not born to be succesful"

good greif.
He asked you the question. Your answer is for me to answer it for you?
he asked you the question, you answer it.
No wonder you get so much stuff on here so horribly wrong so often.

 

[Siorac]

Good luck with your next move, Mr. Giggs. Thanks for all the memories; I hope you can return one day.