When did any Assistant Manager ever become "crucial"?
As good? I know the 2008 team is very glorified, but it was the '99 team that won the treble, without Queiroz. About Pep I think it's a cheap shot to say things wasn't as good for him without Tito, he missed Messi more at Bayern than Tito.
I wouldn't take the Bolton job, that's a very tough first job and if he doesn't get it right it's all down hill from there.
99 team while that achievement can't be taken away had a charmed life to win it. There's been better United side's than that one IMO.
Who wouldn't miss Messi hugely but that's not the point under discussion?
Any proper exceptional leader always havr their trusted 2nd. It works everywhere in many forms, doesnt always ties up as assistant manager.
Even a good pa can be very important to some people.
That's, uh, kinda what he said.If he doesn't get it right at bolton it's downhill everywhere
Well the 2008 team was only a Terry slip away from only winning the league, that's how it is for most (if not all) teams who're successful, they have some luck here and there.
I think it is, if Messi was at Bayern, they would've won the CL atleast once, having Tito there would not have changed much as I see, but of course, we'll never know.
A trusted 2nd yes, but not always someone who's crucial to the success.
99 team while that achievement can't be taken away had a charmed life to win it. There's been better United side's than that one IMO.
Who wouldn't miss Messi hugely but that's not the point under discussion?
That's, uh, kinda what he said.
I wouldn't take the Bolton job, that's a very tough first job and if he doesn't get it right it's all down hill from there.
This is how I see it, and I have been saying the same for some time. Even if he is flawless in a shit championship team, that shouldn't give him the United job, but instead that would give him a job in EPL. Then do then well and get the Spurs or Evertons of this world. And if he continues doing well there, then he gets United (or a similar team, I mean strange things have happened, Sir Matt Busby was a captain of Liverpool after all).People keep missing the point that working at a championship club isn't supposed to make him ready for United. It's supposed to make him ready for the next step on the journey to being good enough to United, if he has it in him. If he does the job Eddie Howe has done, and being Ryan Giggs, he'd get a bigger club than Bournemouth, why can't he be picked up by a Stoke, or a West Brom? That could lead to an Everton, which could lead to Manchester United. That's just an example of a possible route. If he does really well at one or two clubs instead of 3/4, and our team is in a good place, we might go for him early.
Sir Alex didn't start at United or even Aberdeen. Mourinho, while he did begin with a brief 9 game spell at Benfica did have to manage Uniao de Leiria before Porto.
This is SAF showing early promise at St Mirren (first job)
Mourino at that other club
.... To take them down to league one hopefully.Cardiff would be ideal for Giggs.
Sky Bet: Ryan Giggs has been cut to 1/4 to be the manager of Bolton on the first day of the 2016/17 season.
A manager is crucial, an Assistant Manager isn't, never has been and never will be. There's a clue in the word "Assistant".Malcolm Allison, Peter Taylor, Don Howe, Bob Paisley?
Tito Villanova, Carlos Quieroz and maybe Rui Faria?
Yes, important - but not crucial. The word crucial would imply they're almost more necessary than the manager.Any proper exceptional leader always havr their trusted 2nd. It works everywhere in many forms, doesnt always ties up as assistant manager.
Even a good pa can be very important to some people.
A good assistant manager has to be able to challenge the manager, he has to have the strength of character, confidence in his knowledge, and th trust of his manager to be able to say, "actually boss, you are wrong, and here is why".
I didn't see or hear of Giggs doing anything for the last three years that proved he was capable, or even knew that that was his job.
You don't just sit there like a fecking lemon going along with terrible ideas.
how do you know this?He didnt even converse
how do you know this?
Did you attend training or attend any coaches meetings?Err.... Tv?
You are, not only petty and daft but imparting some bizarre fantasy scenario and even making a logical conclusion from it. This is definitely up there at the top, even for a thread that has been consistently as cringeworthy as this one.I'm probably being incredibly petty and daft here but the Bolton job seems like a bit of a lazy option in that it seems like he doesn't want to uproot himself and pick a more suitable job. Like the kind of guy who leaves school and never works more than 20 miles away from his childhood home.
Maybe it's just convenient, maybe it's an awkward time for him with his family issues, maybe it's all he's been offered. It just seems a bit like he's finding it difficult to move away from the life he's built over the last 30 years.
I'm probably being incredibly petty and daft here but the Bolton job seems like a bit of a lazy option in that it seems like he doesn't want to uproot himself and pick a more suitable job. Like the kind of guy who leaves school and never works more than 20 miles away from his childhood home.
Maybe it's just convenient, maybe it's an awkward time for him with his family issues, maybe it's all he's been offered. It just seems a bit like he's finding it difficult to move away from the life he's built over the last 30 years.
Did you attend training or attend any coaches meetings?
I dont recall tv being present at training or during coaches meetings
Didnt answer my question.During the match
How do you know he didnt question LVG, were you at training or sitting in on their training planning conversations?
He didnt even converse
An appeal to ignorance, OK.
You would see it, you would of seen SOMETHING from him on the bench during games.
You would of heard all these great stories about how well he was coming on, the good work he was doing, how great his relationship was with the boss.
Instead, we have had three years of virtual silence and him sitting on the bench like a lemon.
There's my evidence.
The absence of proof isn't absence of truth, I am saying I don't see anything from him that says he has any of the qualities of a good manager.
He could be the greatest 2IC in the history of the game, but there is no evidence to suggest he is.
Carlos Queiroz was pretty crucial. While he was here, we won heaps.
Same with Steve McLaren. Fergie + McLaren was a combination that few teams could beat.
Then where was Phelan and Meulensteen.
All these guys were crucial in getting us winning regularly and winning multiple titles.
Giggs on the other hand was part of 7th place (coach), then 4th and 5th place (assistant manager) campaigns.
As a player he was fantastic. As a manager/coach - I don't rate him at all.
You would of heard all these great stories about how well he was coming on, the good work he was doing, how great his relationship was with the boss.
I'm probably being incredibly petty and daft here but the Bolton job seems like a bit of a lazy option in that it seems like he doesn't want to uproot himself and pick a more suitable job. Like the kind of guy who leaves school and never works more than 20 miles away from his childhood home.
Maybe it's just convenient, maybe it's an awkward time for him with his family issues, maybe it's all he's been offered. It just seems a bit like he's finding it difficult to move away from the life he's built over the last 30 years.
Erm OK.A manager is crucial, an Assistant Manager isn't, never has been and never will be. There's a clue in the word "Assistant".
You are atrocious at constructing your arguments. I can barely understand your point and I read dry academic papers as part of my living.You are, not only petty and daft but imparting some bizarre fantasy scenario and even making a logical conclusion from it. This is definitely up there at the top, even for a thread that has been consistently as cringeworthy as this one.
