He would have costed a fortune, his salary and loyalty bonus would have costed +15m£, for a guaranteed bench warmer. We took a hit on Falcao, we can't do it twice.
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He would have costed a fortune, his salary and loyalty bonus would have costed +15m£, for a guaranteed bench warmer. We took a hit on Falcao, we can't do it twice.
I was talking about looks Lol, don't get you panties in a twist
Correct. That has absolutely nothing to do with his poor performances in 2013/14 and the fact he had a poor World Cup (game against Spain aside). That was exactly the point I was making. Well done. Have a biscuit.
Good decision. Rooney and RVP in the same team with this "philosophy" would not work (unless Rooney was to play midfield and I'm sick of seeing that).
You've seen Van Persie's first season with us right? Well Rooney has that quality if he's given the chance to play upfront. I really believe he can bang in a bunch of goals and seem as clinical. All negatives about Rooney such as his first touch being poor is whenever he's playing behind the main striker(s)
You've seen Van Persie's first season with us right? Well Rooney has that quality if he's given the chance to play upfront. I really believe he can bang in a bunch of goals and seem as clinical. All negatives about Rooney such as his first touch being poor is whenever he's playing behind the main striker(s)
28 in 57 games. Not as bad as you make out. The whole team was average in 13/14 except the keeper. Just hope he doesn't come back to haunt us.
It is funny that being said about all our outgoing players: Falcao, nani, RVP
We should stop getting our panties in a twist about this, they weren't good for us they aren't going to come back to haunt us.
2 of them will play for the same team and I don't think anyone is saying it about Falcao.
Yea people have about Falcao
Bound to suddenly have a good season for chelsea and making us regret letting him go etc etc
If you sell a player for cheap we should tell them if they look to sell a 'talent' in the future, to give us a discount.
Me too. Him and Nani. Both still good enough to haunt us. I really hope we don't draw Fenerbahce. They will probably both do well in the Turkish league too. They'll be amongst the best players there.
Here's evidence of the decline I was talking about, by the way. You can see that his form under Van Gaal was just continuation of an established downwards trend.
Wonder how much - if anything - the 2012/13 season took out of him.
He played every game, and for a player who'd always been injury prone, that was a remarkable feat.
He must've known the clock was ticking on his chance of winning a major title. Fergie also will have wanted to go out on a high.
Might there have been an element of RvP putting in an exceptional effort - including playing through niggles where once he might not have, playing with injections, generally running himself into the ground, etc - to try and secure that major title? And an element of Fergie allowing him to that, because Fergie wanted to go out as a winner? And then RVP suffering the physical consequences afterwards?
Because he went from being arguably the best Number 9 in the world between 2011-2013, to someone who's joining a B League team only 2 years later.
And in this day and age, 31 isn't really that old.
He played every game, and for a player who'd always been injury prone, that was a remarkable feat.
He must've known the clock was ticking on his chance of winning a major title. Fergie also will have wanted to go out on a high.
Might there have been an element of RvP putting in an exceptional effort - including playing through niggles where once he might not have, playing with injections, generally running himself into the ground, etc - to try and secure that major title? And an element of Fergie allowing him to that, because Fergie wanted to go out as a winner? And then RVP suffering the physical consequences afterwards?
Because he went from being arguably the best Number 9 in the world between 2011-2013, to someone who's joining a B League team only 2 years later.
And in this day and age, 31 isn't really that old.
You might be right....whenever you see Van Persie walking on the pitch he seems to be limping, moving despite pain.
You'd have to think that the reason we are letting him go is because he spoke to Van Gaal about his role at the club, as reports said he would, and he decided that it would be better for him to move on than warm our bench.
He has a year left on his contract, if he spends the season on the bench, the chance of him getting another big contract somewhere goes down, it's a good time for a move for him and he can extend his career in Turkey.
From our point of view there is no point keeping a player on £250k a week as a backup. Much better off investing that time and money into someone younger and more hungry.
He has a year left on his contract, if he spends the season on the bench, the chance of him getting another big contract somewhere goes down, it's a good time for a move for him and he can extend his career in Turkey.
From our point of view there is no point keeping a player on £250k a week as a backup. Much better off investing that time and money into someone younger and more hungry.
During the 2011-2012 season Wayne Rooney scored a staggering 38 goals in 49 matches (club and country) including 2 goals against Liverpool and 3 goals against Chelsea and Arsenal. Hernandez scored a respectable 13 goals and we also had Danny Welbeck. That's quite a great record considering the tripe we had in midfield. Imagine how many more goals we would have scored if we had players like Fabregas or Herrera instead of Ando and Cleverley.
Instead we kept SAF's boys there and added a world class striker and an attacking midfielder with Park's technique but not his workrate and attitude. We did win the league mostly thanks to RVP being on fire and SAF genius but it did cost us a lot afterwards as Rooney was moved in midfield and flanks to accomodate two world class strikers we didn't need nor afford.
I do think give rooney a settled consistent run upfront, with the right service and system in place, rooney can easily score the goals. If we look at what we currently have, herrera mata depay and di maria, these guys could easily create chances for someone like rooney
The situation has changed since then. I am a big fan of Wayne Rooney and I believe he can lead the line magnificently. However he's older and his time in midfield and flanks had negatively impacted our game
At this point we would need a quality striker. However I'd go for someone young who wouldn't mind too much to sit on the bench once in a while. Lacazette would fit the bill perfectly
I dont see how anybody can argue his performances in the last two seasons have been anything other than disappointing, its easy to say its the midfields fault, its moyes fault etc etc, but his whole demeanor has screamed of someone who just cant be arsed ever since SAF left. When you add the (unproven admittedly) rumours that he was playing up injuries during Moyes tenure to avoid playing for him Im personally pleased to see him go.
Yeah, I feel there's a lot of truth in that, Sparkz - in the final analysis, it was up to Robin to perform. However, Moyes' desperation to keep Rooney onside - to prop up his own shakey credibility - might cost us in the long run. For me, RVP's first season showed us what a genuine world class talent should deliver for United; in contrast, Wayne's savvy "obey Moyes/LVG and keep your head down" approach has paid dividends for him (and for quiet players like Valencia), while more maverick talents (RVP, Rafael etc) find themselves out of the club. Wayne is complacent, settled, and this could be a problem for us. His fire's gone out, and it's very hard to believe that he once, seriously, wanted to leave. I've faith in LVG, but it remains to be seen if his dogmatic "stick to the manager's plan at all costs" philosophy works out or not.
Im totally with you. I think part of the reason Im so disappointed and almost angry with RvP is I had him down as a maverick, almost Cantona kind of performer, which is something I believe a Utd side should always have, someone with some swagger, and arrogance rather than a bit of a bottle job, but I guess thats the Wenger influence, as for Rooney I totally agree, he knows he is safe and is playing within himself as a result. Im hoping for a genuine challenger for his place to light a fire under him.
With Hernandez injured, this will leave just Rooney and Wilson so we will need a striker; and I suspect this transfer means we may have one in mind.
That approach is exactly what we want from every member of out squad. It's how succesful teams are built.
True, mate, and LVG's career record shows this. And that's why I mentioned that, despite a few misgivings, I've faith in the boss.
Absolutely the manager has to be obeyed, but I think what Steve is getting at is Rooney i splaying exactly the way LvG has told him without any deviation what so ever, there is no spontaneity or magic in his play.
I can't fault RVP's attitude. He's a class act for me, and always speaks intelligently. And @Pogue Mahone you are indeed right about his decline and I agree with selling him but the it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that a player like him who is reliant mainly in technical ability and finishing can have a few very good years still in him, like Terry has just had. Which is why we need to replace him well.
That's what LVG wants, though. Arguably a flaw in his approach as a manager but having footballers capable of understandjng and delivering exactly what the manager wants is a good thing. It's also interesting in that it demonstrates Rooney's intelligence, when so many people write him off a thick scouse twat.
RVP and Rafael are out of the club because they are as crocked as you can get.
Well, maybe so; but, seeing as we can't know for definite, we're reduced to speculation.
I never understood this because Rooney has always looked like an intelligent player to me when on the pitch, he has been credited for it by any manager he has ever played under and has proven to be an important player under all those managers and he has regularly received praised by players from other clubs like Messi for example that say he is a worldclass talent and would love to play with him one day (but that isn't going to happen because United would never let go).
I think Rooneys stats, achievements and the praise he receives from his collegues are indication enough that he is not only incredibly talented but also very smart in the way he plays and handles his career. People that label him as a dumb scouse twat probably are a bit thick and slow themselves imo.
Whilst his footballing intelligence cant be argued, you have to know by now he could win a nobel prize and Id still call him a thick scouse twat
I do agree that being able to understand and implement the managers instructions accurately is important, but Im not sure that LvG either understands or cares about the fact that having a mercurial, unpredictable maverick is something deeply ingrained in the DNA of both the club and a massive section of the support, Players like Best, Cantona, Ronaldo, Etc are legends for a reason, not just their end product or trophy hauls, but the manor in which they play for Utd, with a snarl and a swagger, and the will to try something crazy. The best way I can describe it is if you think back to when the King was at OT, if he misplaced a simple pass the support would shrug it off, "Nice try Eric" etc, where as if Sharp or Ince did it was more like "SOrt it out you twat, ffs".
Hes not thick, just uneducated.
It's funny how some can argue how much RvP has declined without admitting or seeing that Rooney has declined almost as much.
In the big games or games that mattered it were RvP and a few others in the last couple of years who stepped up at times rather than Rooney, but although I am worried for our immediate future with Rooney as our main striker, I am not worried for the middle term as Rooney's decline will be too obvious even for LvG to ignore culminating in next year's Euros.
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In the big games or games that mattered it were RvP and a few others in the last couple of years who stepped up at times rather than Rooney, but although I am worried for our immediate future with Rooney as our main striker, I am not worried for the middle term as Rooney's decline will be too obvious even for LvG to ignore culminating in next year's Euros.
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Why does it have to be one or the other, neither of them have been at their best, but given how long Rooney has been a vital player at Utd as opposed to the one season wonder that RvP has been for us I can see how people are more likely to side with El Scouser
But it doesn't matter what they did ages ago when they were world class, it's what they can fo for us in the coming years. And in the last couple of years I have seen absolutely nothing from Rooney to suggest he should be the main striker at a top club, and that even without competition.
Like Sparky mentioned earlier, some are more concerned that Wayne is playing within himself rather than declining. Who can blame him for avoiding potentially injurious tackles, saving energy, prolonging his career etc etc? Still, the bigger picture is that this isn't particularly good for the club...and the club is the main thing for us critics.
Whilst his footballing intelligence cant be argued, you have to know by now he could win a nobel prize and Id still call him a thick scouse twat
I do agree that being able to understand and implement the managers instructions accurately is important, but Im not sure that LvG either understands or cares about the fact that having a mercurial, unpredictable maverick is something deeply ingrained in the DNA of both the club and a massive section of the support, Players like Best, Cantona, Ronaldo, Etc are legends for a reason, not just their end product or trophy hauls, but the manor in which they play for Utd, with a snarl and a swagger, and the will to try something crazy. The best way I can describe it is if you think back to when the King was at OT, if he misplaced a simple pass the support would shrug it off, "Nice try Eric" etc, where as if Sharp or Ince did it was more like "SOrt it out you twat, ffs".
You mean the dumbass part of the support ?
What you want is a rockstar at United whose poster you'd hang on your wall and have his head tattooed on your wifes forehead so you could look him in the eye whilst having sex.
What most people want is a player that does what he gets paid to do, without complaining or a shitty attitude and with respect for the club and it is fans. Wheter that is a guy with swagger or the silent type shouldn't matter.
What annoyed me was the constant over praising of Rooney "following instructions" against City when we won 4-2, for a performance exactly similiar to what we saw from other strikers, obviously instead of aimlessly running blind alleys, occupying space and defenders and conserving energy. It's stuff that people would say about RVP being passed it because he wouldn't chase a lost cause and waste all his energy on pointless running back to get in the midfielders way. Yet when Rooney done it, he was smart, intelligent and performed exactly how LVG wanted.
I can accept RVP is past his best, but he still had something to offer here, and I still believe he would be our top scorer if played as the main forward in our team the way it will be set up next season.
You're missing his point: while a team that's functional and disciplined might well deliver continued success, effectively becoming Chelsea is a far cry from United's tradition of flair and imagination. Success is great, of course, but it isn't the reason why many of us began to support United.
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So will Rooney or any other striker for that matter, it is kind of implicit about the position main forward.
The thing is he is so crocked he can never be the main forward again. Because that implies being available to play. On top of that he was paid too much to be a benchwarmer and if you look at his form and results from the last two years we could get that from a player that wouldn't cost us half of what he costs.
Beautifully put, and exactly what I was trying to say.
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