i certainly hope he keeps Ruud around in some capacity as the guy is a club legend and has brought a bit of joy back to United and the players
Ruud van Nistelrooy | Leaves United
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What impresses me about the Leicester game was how fast the opponents get closed down when we lose the ball. There was alot more cohesion about the team in defence. Not sure if this has anything to do with Ruud or players just putting in more effort with the change in manager.
We are still abit disjointed in attack.
My sense is that Ruud should probably be moving on, or take a back seat in Amorim's coaching team. It usually isn't good when you have too many cooks for the soup.
We are still abit disjointed in attack.
My sense is that Ruud should probably be moving on, or take a back seat in Amorim's coaching team. It usually isn't good when you have too many cooks for the soup.
If I were Amorim, I would speak to Ruud, get inputs and then tell the club he won't be part of the coaching team. United will fire Ruud and other assistants and pay them their due compensation. One day, maybe after Ruud has proved himself, he can return as a full-time United manager like he hopes. As I mentioned in other threads, doing better than EtH was not that difficult. But doing a good job in the longer term is the challenge.
I don't disagree...but I don't think RVN wants one, yet. Seems like he wants more expereince as an assistant and to work under different managers/playing styles before he makes that step permanently. I really don't think he would be a problem for Amorim.
I think Ruud can play the Mike Phelan job -- a lot of the administrative, bridging & some coaching job to help the transition for Ruben & Co -- especially when they want to hit the ground running.
Every one has no clue how big the club is until they get there. Ruud can help with that.
Every one has no clue how big the club is until they get there. Ruud can help with that.
Our next manager after Amirom
The way that Ruud has presented himself is class. He has also made sure we got our fundamentals right. Would love for him to gain further managerial experience/ success elsewhere and then compete for a job here or to stay as assistant provided it makes sense and harmony.
Aren't you effectively describing Fletcher's job here .
So glad to see a legendary player be such a class act. Thanks for many things Ruud.
I appreciate his work in the interim role and I truly think it's best if all the senior coaches are gone, like RvN, Hake, Fletcher, and so on, we need a fresh start and the players will need to work with the new head coach and be fully committed to him.
I am not against the opinion of Ruud staying on to help Amorim but I just prefer new faces, media will always make a thing out of Ruuds presence and when some results start to go bad media will start touting the narrative of Ruud being the better option and whatnot, let's just close that circle and allow Amorim total control in his capacity as a Head Coach.
I am not against the opinion of Ruud staying on to help Amorim but I just prefer new faces, media will always make a thing out of Ruuds presence and when some results start to go bad media will start touting the narrative of Ruud being the better option and whatnot, let's just close that circle and allow Amorim total control in his capacity as a Head Coach.
McKenna
Whatever happens, there is only love for Ruud in this club
He has done everything for United as player, assistant manager, and interim.
Love, love, love. Legend, wish you the best just like you have always tried to do the best for us
He has done everything for United as player, assistant manager, and interim.
Love, love, love. Legend, wish you the best just like you have always tried to do the best for us
Fletcher's job is to bridge the academy and the 1st Team.
He did take the opportunity to present himself as manager in great way. Good results and based on how he acts on the touchline and in the conferences probably the most convincing man representing us since SAF left.
That being said he also was lucky. 2 games against a very poor Leicester side and one against some Greeks. If Chelsea had turned up that day the might have battered us.
As much as I like and respect RvN and would not be against seeing him as our manager in some years I don't see the point in keeping him right now.
That being said he also was lucky. 2 games against a very poor Leicester side and one against some Greeks. If Chelsea had turned up that day the might have battered us.
As much as I like and respect RvN and would not be against seeing him as our manager in some years I don't see the point in keeping him right now.
I hope he's gone. It would be a sign of strength from the off. I'm betting quite a few wanting Ruud to stick around are ones hoping Rashford gets chucked out by his ear, funnily enough.
He's done great, but I just don't think its wise for him to stick around.
He's done great, but I just don't think its wise for him to stick around.
Couldn't agree more with Winter here. Ruud deserves so much credit for the way he's handled himself. He's a class act.
He made such a difficult job looks simple. I felt sleepy watching our games under ETH but RVN brought back the excitement into our play. I think he is destined for big things. But maybe too early for Man Utd. He will be back in future.
For now, hope Amorim will bring us to another level!
For now, hope Amorim will bring us to another level!
I missed the 2nd half of yesterday’s game but in the first half we didn’t appear to have the acres of spaces between the lines like we did with ETH. Ruud isn’t going to be able to turn us in a crack unit but to my eye test we looked to play in a much better shape, play players in the right positions and have clear instructions on how they should be playing,
Who gives one feck about xG, we had 3 aG (Actual Goals) and that's what matters.
People who are interested in long term trends rather than just whether one game made them happy or sad.
Nerds then.
When Amorim says "I will explain everything" could this potentially be in relation to Ruud taking training whilst Amorim gains clearance on his work permit?
Sure, but that's exactly what I'm saying - under Ruud the only thing that's changed from Ten Hag is that we've been a bit better at taking our chances, and that the low percentage shots are going in.
There's been no epic turnaround in how we're playing, we don't look any less vulnerable, and we aren't even creating more, we've just been better at scoring worldies. That isn't sustainable.
We've been just as wide open in every match under Ruud as we were under Ten Hag. We're still giving away big chances regularly, Leicester and PAOK both had us beat for xG, Chelsea would have without the penalty, the only team we've been somewhat convincing against was the Leicester reserve team in Ruud's first match and even then we gave away 2 goals and let them have 16 shots.
The only real difference between Ruud and Ten Hag this season is that a few moments of individual brilliance have worked out, in the form of low percentage shots flying in.
He also gave Amad a chance to prove himself and Casemiro has been playing like his oldself. Also the players are not complicating as much with the ball and look a bit more assured of themselves.
The timing of Ten Hag's dismissal perhaps wasn't perfect but if we'd sacked him at the start of an international break, it's more likely Ruud would also have left without having a proper send-off, not ideal especially after the way his playing career here ended. I'm sure he'd prefer to stay on but at least this has given him the opportunity to win a few games and feel the love from the fans.
Putting out the cones a la Phelan
Love Ruud. I just don't see how he fits in with any meaningful position with Amorim coming in with his three assistant coaches. He's never met Ruud in his life, they probably play completely different brands of football and it's not like Amorim is going to ditch the people he trusts and been through the wars with for him. The only possible position/role I would have RvN in is already taken up by fletcher.
This. Hard to see why he'd be kept on. Just adds another person who has to be taught Amorims system.
I still think he should leave. It was in our best interests for him to get good results whilst he was interim manager. It is now in our best interests for him to now leave the club.
Nerds then.
Geniuses who know that being happy about football is for ignorant swine. Only the smartest among us know that football is about the disinterested observation of long term trends.
I will be surprised if Amorin keeps Ruud as part of the coaching staff. He most likely wants a clean slate
At best he will be offered some low level job with little to no influence on the first team
At best he will be offered some low level job with little to no influence on the first team
I hope he takes charge of the under 21's. I have no confidence in the current coach. I also hope that the under 21's use the same system as the first team, makes transition easier
sentimentality reasons a lot of us would like to him to stay, and I think previous versions of our board would have went the sentimental route. I think now, we need to be ruthless. Amorim will want his own men. We are grateful to Ruud,I'd like to see him go be a manger on his own again.
He is capable of being a manager elsewhere. Why would he become a head coach of U-21s? You have the likes of Lampard on the cusp on getting a job. Why can’t Ruud?
I meant until he found something else. He obviously loves United And would be a good way of being involved until something better comes along
His stock is high right now. He should be after a manager job elsewhere.
One of West Ham, Crystal Palace, Wolves, and Southampton will need a manager soon. The first 3 have decent teams to take over (in descending order).
One of West Ham, Crystal Palace, Wolves, and Southampton will need a manager soon. The first 3 have decent teams to take over (in descending order).
If he doesn’t get the assistant role or some sort of coaching role under Ruben he isn’t staying. I think that clear. If Ruben says he is not part of the stuff he is outta here. I understand your point about staying till he gets something but it doesn’t work like that.
I think West Ham might be a good role cause he has some players there to play and maybe finish mid table. I wouldn’t touch the other three.
Yeah but can he pop a balloon