He definitely needs more coaching experience. He had a decent spell at PSV before an apparent player revolt caused him to resign. That’s a red flag imo.
Ruud van Nistelrooy | Leaves United
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We don't actually don't know what Ruud was told when ten Hag was sacked. Amorim wasn't confirmed yet. Interest in Amorim was speculated on the 29th, 2 days after the West Ham defeat.
I do think Ruud was hopeful that he'd be in charge for a few weeks when he was announced as interim. The Amorim deal came together quickly, thankfully. Obviously he's not been in line for the job since Amorim was been announced on the 1st of November. I don't think he's trying to get a job that's no longer available. His pressing concern now seems to be staying on in some capacity if Amorim is open to it.
I think this is what will likely happen. If he leaves with a respectable record then the job opportunities will come for him.
Swell of support? Like a round of drinks? Or a muffit of tea.
If true Ruud needs to leave, we don’t need anyone undermining the new manager
I wouldn’t mind Ruud staying purely just to be aloud to focus on ST coaching and finishing coaching. It wouldn’t do Amorim any harm having someone who knows the club. And Ruud won’t cause any harm, the players love him and he communicates well with them.
Itf it's true and this is players leaking to their press mates he should go. Scorched earth!
Not particularly convinced he's a great help in that regard.
None of us actually know if that’s what he’s been aloud to do previously or what his training his
Agreed, sad as I love Ruud but it's clear he should probably leave to ensure there isn't internal conflict further down the road.
Is the implication here that Ruud might be a brilliant finishing coach but we weren't letting him do it?
Too much emphasis is placed on things like this anyway.
A lot of finishing situations are instinctive and not easily replicated in training. Like that ball falling to Bruno to volley vs Chelsea. Difficult to replicate.
Also, there's less pressure and not much of an atmosphere in training sessions. You often see casual shooting sessions put up on Youtube by clubs. Nearly all of them go in, that's how good pros are when they have a free shot on goal. We know that games aren't like that at all.
I love Ruud but I don't give a shit about him staying. If Amorim thinks his coaching team would be better without him, let him go. If he thinks he'd be useful then great.
The Athletic reported the concrete interest in Amorim about two hours give or take after ten Hag was sacked, not one day, so I think it is pretty likely that Ruud was briefed on this pretty quickly. If Ornstein knew, hopefully Ruud did as well.
What he hoped for is just pure speculation, and reading into his clothing choice doubly so. Especially considering a nice sweater and a coat is pretty standard manager attire, after all. Speculation is fine of course, this is a forum after all. I just don't buy that he at any point was auditioning for the full time United job, especially not by the Leicester game, given the way this all played out. And that his choice of clothing might not be the best indicator of what happened here.
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Can't a man dress according to his desire!
The world has gone trully woke.
The world has gone trully woke.
Its glaringly obvious we are playing with more cut and thrust and general spirit with Ruud at the helm. That's not to say he will stay. But if he does, i would suspect most will be happy.
My thoughts exactly, feck what the players want, it should be up to Amorim ad the Head Coach to decide if RvN, Hakke, and Fletcher stay or not
He should have worn a tracksuit top with COACH across the back to avoid doubt.
We all know how clinical he was as a ST. Under better tactics that Amorim may bring it could work the pair of them trying to help Hojlund become a good ST. Amorim certainly helped Gyokeres
The way coaching staff set up United gameplay in first 8 matches was disastrous to say the least. I am specifically saying coaching staff and not singling out ETH. We were defensively open, lacked control in midfield and clueless in attack. Although players too are at fault but then suddenly next matches we started playing more compact and our game improved.
I adore Ruud as a player, heck he is in my all time top 5 strikers. But I am glad that we found another head coach.
I adore Ruud as a player, heck he is in my all time top 5 strikers. But I am glad that we found another head coach.
I see a gentleman comfortable in his own skin full of vitality!
He'd look better in his own skin
What on earth is this
Tell that to his missus.
I was kinda disappointed with his selection / subs yesterday. It felt all way too ten hag.
The subs more so. We are drawing at home, and he did the united dutch way that weve seen from lvg and eth before him by bringing on like for like and not really changing it or going for it.
I honestly think he had nothing to lose, by going more attacking but instead he put a striker on for a striker, a rw for rw, and a cb for a dm, who played in DM. Would have been nice if he had brought on Zirkzee for ugarte, gone for him behind hoijlund and told garnacho and amad to stretch the width and use overlaps to cross or something. Dunno.
Anyway, if the players want something (if the reports are true) then its probably not a good thing for United overall
The subs more so. We are drawing at home, and he did the united dutch way that weve seen from lvg and eth before him by bringing on like for like and not really changing it or going for it.
I honestly think he had nothing to lose, by going more attacking but instead he put a striker on for a striker, a rw for rw, and a cb for a dm, who played in DM. Would have been nice if he had brought on Zirkzee for ugarte, gone for him behind hoijlund and told garnacho and amad to stretch the width and use overlaps to cross or something. Dunno.
Anyway, if the players want something (if the reports are true) then its probably not a good thing for United overall
The bench was scraped, to be fair to him.I was kinda disappointed with his selection / subs yesterday. It felt all way too ten hag.
The subs more so. We are drawing at home, and he did the united dutch way that weve seen from lvg and eth before him by bringing on like for like and not really changing it or going for it.
I honestly think he had nothing to lose, by going more attacking but instead he put a striker on for a striker, a rw for rw, and a cb for a dm, who played in DM. Would have been nice if he had brought on Zirkzee for ugarte, gone for him behind hoijlund and told garnacho and amad to stretch the width and use overlaps to cross or something. Dunno.
Anyway, if the players want something (if the reports are true) then its probably not a good thing for United overall
yeah but he could have still made changes I proposed. We could have gone 442 with bruno and case being told to sit deeper and get the ball forward quickly. It just felt same same.
When Carrick took over from Ole, it felt like he tried something different with the games v arsenal and chelsea, at least.
That’s just asking for trouble against Chelsea later in the game when things are more open - they’re one of the highest scoring teams in a the league. Vacating the midfield is last thing he should have done.
I don’t think Amorim should be deciding that either. That’s for the DOF and TD to decide.
Don't think it's vacating if we have Bruno and casemiro sitting
Maybe I'm just still in there mindset that at home I'd rather see us try and go for a win than try not to lose?
As I said ruud had nothing to lose imo
Case in the last twenty minutes with only Bruno alongside him definitely leaves us open - we know his legs fade as matches progress. Given our very recent history of conceding lots of soft second half goals, there was no way RVN was ever going to take that chance against a team with the quality Chelsea have through the middle. Home or not and interim or not, the manger is just not going to take a stupid risk like that IMO.
SAF was so often going with this "stupid risk" at home game, going for 3 pts.
Are you seriously likening what SAF did with his dominant Utd teams to what an interim manager could do in his second match after taking over a fourteenth placed team whose confidence is shot from a tactically inept manager who oversaw 18 months of awful form!?
Besides, you’re missing the point. I’m not saying we shouldn’t have gone for the win. I’m saying that leaving us really exposed in the middle of the pitch in the last twenty minutes of the match is not an effective way of getting the win. Ceding control in the middle is more likely to get you a loss.
If that’s what the players want it then it’s probably a bad idea.
I’ll be honest, I love Ruud - my favourite from when I started supporting the club - but all the noise surrounding his role feels very unnecessary. Nothing and I mean nothing should hamper the new manager and there’s no higher priority than that.
I’ll be honest, I love Ruud - my favourite from when I started supporting the club - but all the noise surrounding his role feels very unnecessary. Nothing and I mean nothing should hamper the new manager and there’s no higher priority than that.
They can’t take that call without the manager agreeing with it. I’m all for manager not having full control of transfers but he must have full control over his own background staff. That would render the manager too weak.
These wasters? Are we still slagging off the players these days? Let me guess they’ve thrown multiple managers under the bus too…
The fact is no players ever anywhere should be dictating who coaches or managers at any stage.