Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

For a former seal team 6 / DEVGRU member, Chuck does post some shit sometimes.
Yeah, I’ve noticed that as well. Though to be fair Theiner has his own share of bold controversial takes as he thinks UA secretly has used ATACMS a couple times (Sevastopol and Kerch bridge).
 
Yeah, I’ve noticed that as well. Though to be fair Theiner has his own share of bold controversial takes as he thinks UA secretly has used ATACMS a couple times (Sevastopol and Kerch bridge).

Bold takes, I think he's probably right though...
 
And the next comment, that you replied to so you did see it:



So on the one hand you have two people on Redcafe that haven't heard of them, on the other hand you know it's a group that has gotten international attention from some big players, yet you question the relevance. You don't ask if it's important or a big deal, you ask if it should even be in the thread. And I would actually like an answer to what I asked, is it relevant to the thread what random Russian tourists do in Austria, or what some Czechs do?

So, did I think your first tweet was relevant to the thread? Based on the tweet I clicked, no. You asked me if your tweet was more relevant than other news posted in the thread? I answered yes and I should have stopped there.

Then you kept showing me a bunch of other news and it was supposed to change my stance on your tweet? No. But I appreciate some of your posts here with "hey there are bad guys everywhere and, on both sides, too" to remind us about them once in a while.
 
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Those Iranian drones are nasty little piece of work, Kyiv has been under swarm of them the whole morning.
 
Surely we are at the point where other countries could send in fighter jets now to set up a no fly zones around Ukraines major cities in the north and west of the country?

Shooting down drones or rockets could hardly be interpreted as a direct attack on Russia. It's nuts that Russia are launching terrorist attacks on civilian populations on what seems like a daily basis now. The mask really has slipped, once this is over Putin needs to be handled and serious reforms should happen in Russia before they're allowed back in on international scale trade wise.
 
Those Iranian drones are nasty little piece of work, Kyiv has been under swarm of them the whole morning.
I am pretty sure the US has already figured them out, question is do they want to share that with Ukraine thereby showing their hand.
 
I am pretty sure the US has already figured them out, question is do they want to share that with Ukraine thereby showing their hand.
It's not that hard to figure them out. Their basic idea is simple but effective, overwhelm air defense just by quantity.
 
It's not that hard to figure them out. Their basic idea is simple but effective, overwhelm air defense just by quantity.
Obviously not what I meant by figuring out. It's reverse engineering the protocols / breaking encryption to either deny operation or take over.
 
I am pretty sure the US has already figured them out, question is do they want to share that with Ukraine thereby showing their hand.
Ye, but thing is atm. The issue is more that they swarm the air with them and send some cruise missiles also which overwhelm the air defence and some still get through to terrorize the cities.
 
How are so many drones getting to Kyiv undetected?
They don't have enough air defense systems to protect the areas where there is no fighting. Most of the more advanced AA equipment are probably needed in the south and east where the actual fighting is going on.
 
How are so many drones getting to Kyiv undetected?

They are relatively small (compared to airplanes) and they fly slow, low and in swarms.

At a complete guess, Ukraine is facing 3 types of problems wrt to air-defence: Firstly, simply not enough of it. Secondly, many separate systems which are not (and cannot be) integrated in ways of sharing data (S-300, Pantsir, Gepards, IRIS-T... did they get NASAMS?). Thirdly, a difficulty in finding cost effective ways of engaging these swarms eefectively.

For example Shahed drones cost, according to military researchers, an estimated $20k a pop. So a mini-swarm of five costs $100k. Meanwhile an AMRAAM costs a cool $1m and an IRIS-T about $500k. Do you fire them at Shaheds? Or do you save them for the Sukhois, MiGs and Cruise missiles?

And to be fair the vast majority of them are shot down, according to UA anyway....
 
They are relatively small (compared to airplanes) and they fly slow, low and in swarms.

At a complete guess, Ukraine is facing 3 types of problems wrt to air-defence: Firstly, simply not enough of it. Secondly, many separate systems which are not (and cannot be) integrated in ways of sharing data (S-300, Pantsir, Gepards, IRIS-T... did they get NASAMS?). Thirdly, a difficulty in finding cost effective ways of engaging these swarms eefectively.

For example Shahed drones cost, according to military researchers, an estimated $20k a pop. So a mini-swarm of five costs $100k. Meanwhile an AMRAAM costs a cool $1m and an IRIS-T about $500k. Do you fire them at Shaheds? Or do you save them for the Sukhois, MiGs and Cruise missiles?

And to be fair the vast majority of them are shot down, according to UA anyway....

Ukraine doesn't have Pantsir (unless they captured some)
 
Only 5/28 getting through is encouraging. I wonder where these drones are starting out from? Surely it's Belarus?
 
Is that really the point though.
Putin is continually threatening the use of his nuclear weapons against Ukraine. And NATO has said that it takes the threat seriously.
So why would one of the 3 nuclear powers that form the bulk of the NATO alliance supporting Ukraine against Russia reveal his intentions.

Probably to put his citizens at ease that they won't face Nuclear annihilation for whatever happens in Ukraine. The french population have no obligation whatever to pulled into such a scenario.
 
Probably to put his citizens at ease that they won't face Nuclear annihilation for whatever happens in Ukraine. The french population have no obligation whatever to pulled into such a scenario.

Why. Was there a clamour from the French citizens to be reassured.
 
Russia are doing a good job demilitarising themselves in the last few days.


 
Not sure why Russia bothers with these drone attacks on civilian infrastructure or buildings. It won't deter anyone. It's not scaring off either Ukraine or the West, if creating terror was the goal.
 
How long until the Russians are using these?
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The United States intends to further crack down on Iran for helping Russia in the war on Ukraine, a U.S. official said Monday following reports that Tehran plans to send Moscow missiles to use on the battlefield.

The penalties — likely to include economic sanctions and possibly some export controls — would also target third parties that help Tehran and Moscow.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/17/iran-russia-missile-sales-00062075
 


Any takers? Now that the dynamic has changed with Iran supplying Russia with those drones, perhaps NATO should change the dynamics in arming Ukraine and allowing Ukraine to upgrade their own objectives as well.
 


Any takers? Now that the dynamic has changed with Iran supplying Russia with those drones, perhaps NATO should change the dynamics in arming Ukraine and allowing Ukraine to upgrade their own objectives as well.


I don't think the US would feel restrained in helping the Ukrainians irrespective of what the Iranians are doing.
 


Any takers? Now that the dynamic has changed with Iran supplying Russia with those drones, perhaps NATO should change the dynamics in arming Ukraine and allowing Ukraine to upgrade their own objectives as well.


Surely Iran is selling them weapons, not donating them? It might be a subtle difference, but in realpolitik it probably matters.
 
I don't think the US would feel restrained in helping the Ukrainians irrespective of what the Iranians are doing.
Biden is the one who’s restraining the military support based on the recent Washington Post article. Apparently he’s being advised to remain subdued in their military support by national sec. adviser Jake Sallivan.
 
Ukrainian technicians working to ensure the safe operation of the Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant have been told by occupation authorities that they have until Thursday to choose sides in the escalating struggle for control of the reactor complex.

Senior officials of Russia’s Rosatom said Ukrainian staff who sign up as employees of Moscow’s atomic-energy company would keep their jobs and could be offered Russian passports, according to plant workers, Ukrainian officials and diplomats posted to the United Nations’ nuclear agency.

 
I don't think the US would feel restrained in helping the Ukrainians irrespective of what the Iranians are doing.

I think what Amb. McFaul is referring to is when will Ukraine be supplied with at least a load of MGM-140 ATACMS.

Biden is the one who’s restraining the military support based on the recent Washington Post article. Apparently he’s being advised to remain subdued in their military support by national sec. adviser Jake Sallivan.

I just cannot stand that snotty little shit whenever he shows his face on TV, but this would be a major reason to hate the guy even more.
 
I think what Amb. McFaul is referring to is when will Ukraine be supplied with at least a load of MGM-140 ATACMS.



I just cannot stand that snotty little shit whenever he shows his face on TV, but this would be a major reason to hate the guy even more.

I think the US policy of supplying the Ukrainians with enough to deal with Russian advances but not enough to where they can strike too far into Russia and in the process cause Putin to escalate with more powerful weapons, is the correct one. If they need more sophisticated weapons to win, I can't see them not getting them. The only thing that has to be rigidly adhered to is not incentivizing the Ukrainians to go after Russian targets further into Russia, as that will 100% be met with massive response from Putin, who will not want to look like he isn't responding with overwhelming force after getting slapped in the face by Ukraine's military (such as the Kerch Bridge scenario and subsequent Russian response).