Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Rajma said:

So the chief Nazi is on the record now saying the same thing. They’re retreating now only question if they will blow up the dam when leaving to the other side of Dnipro.
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It’s almost fitting that the orcs try to use a tactic from the Lord of the Rings
 
Interesting bit on how uneasy the Ukrainians were with regards to sharing their defense plans with the US.

Another underlying source of unease was that U.S. officials had little understanding of the Ukrainian plan to defend the country, or even if such a plan existed. General Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was speaking several times a week with his counterpart in Kyiv, Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian armed forces. Milley pressed Zaluzhnyi for information about how Ukraine would defend itself, including a request for detailed inventories of weapons stockpiles. Milley also offered his own strategic vision—an emphasis on dispersed mobile units, multiple lines of defense across the country, and a mixture of conventional forces and partisan warfare. “Our message was not, ‘You guys are about to get steamrolled, so you should just sue for peace,’ ” a U.S. military official said. “Rather, the message was that you are about to get steamrolled, so you have to get your defenses majorly shored up.”

Zaluzhnyi seemed hesitant to provide any details. Not only was he protective of his plans, he refused to share the placement of arms caches, which he was constantly moving and camouflaging to keep them from being destroyed or captured by the Russian Army. Some U.S. officials worried that Zaluzhnyi, like Zelensky, didn’t fully believe the U.S. intelligence. “Others were convinced he believed it, and had war plans on hand,” the military official said, “but wanted to keep them secret from Zelensky.”

Given Zelensky’s reluctance to put the country on a war footing, there was speculation that Zaluzhnyi may have been trying to avoid the possibility of being asked to scale down his preparations. If this was the case, the U.S. military official said, it’s possible that Zaluzhnyi didn’t want to share them with Milley because he was afraid that Milley would then brief the White House, which would in turn say something to Zelensky.

Finally, in February, Zaluzhnyi agreed to share his plan for defending Ukraine. A defense attaché from the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, an Air Force colonel, was summoned to a meeting at the general-staff headquarters and shown a one-page sketch of Ukrainian positions and defensive schemes. She was not given a copy, and was permitted to take only handwritten notes. Even having stipulated these conditions, Zaluzhnyi was less than forthcoming. His subordinates showed the attaché a false version of the plan, masking the full scope of the defensive campaign.

Ultimately, Zaluzhnyi’s strategy was to prevent the capture of Kyiv at all costs, while, in other areas, letting Russian forces run ahead of their logistics and supply lines. The idea was to trade territory in the short term in order to pick off Russian units once they were overextended. “We trusted no one back then,” a senior Ukrainian military official said. “Our plan was our one tiny chance for success, and we did not want anyone at all to know it.”
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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/10/24/inside-the-us-effort-to-arm-ukraine
 
Rajma said:

So the chief Nazi is on the record now saying the same thing. They’re retreating now only question if they will blow up the dam when leaving to the other side of Dnipro.
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He doesn't even know how to look at the camera.
 
MTF said:
Deception is fun.
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The whole article is extremely interesting. Very long though.

One evening in April, at an intelligence-coördination center somewhere in Europe, Ukrainian military officers asked their American and nato counterparts to confirm a set of coördinates. This had become a common practice. Ukrainian representatives might ask for verification of the location of a Russian command post or ammunition depot. “We do that, fair game,” the senior Biden Administration official said.

In some cases, U.S. intelligence and military officers provide targeting information unsolicited: “We do let them know, say, there’s a battalion moving on Slovyansk from the northwest, and here’s roughly where they are.” But, the official emphasized, Ukrainian forces choose what to hit. “We are not approving, or disapproving, targets.”

The Biden Administration has also refused to provide specific intelligence on the location of high-value Russian individuals, such as generals or other senior figures. “There are lines we drew in order not to be perceived as being in a direct conflict with Russia,” the senior U.S. official said. The United States will pass on coördinates of a command post, for example, but not the presence of a particular commander. “We are not trying to kill generals,” the senior Biden Administration official said. “We are trying to help the Ukrainians undermine Russian command and control.”
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VorZakone said:
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Not a chance. Weapons lobbyists runs that place. There’s too much money to be had and apparently a lot of GOP members are even saying that aren’t moving fast enough on Ukraine. It’s the ultimate grift for them. They’ll make a fortune from it
 
I wonder what would happen if for once we stepped back? Would the French step up? Germans? Spanish? Polish would.. but the rest.. meh.
 
The US are a disgrace anyways. While every European state who supports Ukraine does so in donating weapons and money the US sell them, and actually urge the EU to make sure that Ukraine gets enough money to pay the US for weapons. It's a shame.
 
stefan92 said:
The US are a disgrace anyways. While every European state who supports Ukraine does so in donating weapons and money the US sell them, and actually urge the EU to make sure that Ukraine gets enough money to pay the US for weapons. It's a shame.
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What is your source for this ? The US is literally giving the Ukrainians billions in weapons and aid - far more than any other country (as percentage of GDP is irrelevant here since it doesn’t reflect support at scale or the sophistication of weapons).
 
Raoul said:
What is your source for this ? The US is literally giving the Ukrainians billions in weapons and aid - far more than any other country (as percentage of GDP is irrelevant here since it doesn’t reflect support at scale or the sophistication of weapons).
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The source is his mind.

This war would have been long over if the US hadn’t supported Ukraine.
 
Solovyov and his gaggle of propagandists at it again, this time pondering how to hit Poland without being perceived as starting a war with NATO. :lol:

 


The idea seems set, hit every single part of Ukraine and cause new wave of refugee crisis in EU once the winter kicks in with inflated prices already set. Now it only a question if and how long they can do it, before counter measures are adjusted and set in.
 
I just love that Russian 'how dare the Ukrainians defend and arm themselves' approach.

Problem is a lot of people all over the world share the same opinion.
 
Beans said:
How does it get worse? I must lack imagination but it seems very bad already.
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I’d imagine that literally every male would be mobilized (it was already more or less like that in DNR & LNR, but not in newly occupied territories) + most of the civilians would be put to work supporting the invasion.

It’s why there was a huge (second) wave of emigration from those areas after the mobilization was first announced — even those who refused to leave their home beforehand ran away.
 
IRIS-T apparently has been active today and is showing some really nice work in protecting the sky. I hope the missile production is in the war mode now though as those would be really needed!
 
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