That was clear already , I asked about the comment about the nukes which makes no sense.
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This was the Russians. Why?
1) It will push up gas futures by adding a new element of risk just when prices were beginning to drop.
2) It is completely deniable. If they hit North Sea pipelines they can say 'well who knows who did it - after all our own pipleines were hit too.'' Nobody will believe them but nobody can prove otherwise.
3) If western Europe is deprived of North Sea gas, this winter is going to be very difficult indeed.
The Americans have no reason to hit two piplelines that are already non-operational. If anything they would want western Europe to get gas. But Russia has quite a large army or twitter bots, which you will now see rolling out the idea that Biden did this.
1) It will push up gas futures by adding a new element of risk just when prices were beginning to drop.
2) It is completely deniable. If they hit North Sea pipelines they can say 'well who knows who did it - after all our own pipleines were hit too.'' Nobody will believe them but nobody can prove otherwise.
3) If western Europe is deprived of North Sea gas, this winter is going to be very difficult indeed.
The Americans have no reason to hit two piplelines that are already non-operational. If anything they would want western Europe to get gas. But Russia has quite a large army or twitter bots, which you will now see rolling out the idea that Biden did this.
Somebody who has done something once is seen as more likely to do it again. Clear enough now?
This is a very big thing in Denmark. The national operative staff has been invoked, which is basically the crisis unit pooled from state, health, internal and foreign ministries, police, military and intelligence community, to be able to enact a coordinated response in times of national crisis or emergency. A german military cruiser has just arrived in the waters as well-
Political party leaders have already been informed that this was an intentional attack, since /A it is virtually impossible for it to be a natural event so far apart, and B/Explosions were recorded in the area earlier by Danish, Swedish and Norwegian sources. A former military diver just gave an interview saying that evidence of such sabotage is impossible to hide so it will be confirmed soon enough.
If this can be traced to Russia, this could get very big indeed. This is way bigger than a 'see what we can do' innuendo. It is an act of terror and escalation against a NATO state.
Political party leaders have already been informed that this was an intentional attack, since /A it is virtually impossible for it to be a natural event so far apart, and B/Explosions were recorded in the area earlier by Danish, Swedish and Norwegian sources. A former military diver just gave an interview saying that evidence of such sabotage is impossible to hide so it will be confirmed soon enough.
If this can be traced to Russia, this could get very big indeed. This is way bigger than a 'see what we can do' innuendo. It is an act of terror and escalation against a NATO state.
Ah yeah. Just an unfortunate statement/tweet in the context of what happened today.
So Putin won't use nukes because he hasn't used nukes so far. Gotcha.
I feel like we're entering probably the most dangerous period of this war so far. Definitely feels like we're entering a time when escalation is possible and direct conflict between Russia and NATO states seems possible.
Thought the same but couldn't they just pump the gas in the atmosphere directly from the drills? Would be kind of pointless to do it that way.
Use tampons to stop the bleeding. FFS
Modern Russia is basically a parody of the Soviet Union. So many tweets and reports that feel like they are skits in a dark comedy.
How easily can sabotage be proven?
So what's Putin's next move...
Declare the Donbas is Russia and say Ukraine has invaded Russian territory whilst America / Nato is sabotaging its infrastructure?
Is there an endgame other than escalate to de-escalate?
Declare the Donbas is Russia and say Ukraine has invaded Russian territory whilst America / Nato is sabotaging its infrastructure?
Is there an endgame other than escalate to de-escalate?
Russia supplying frontlines with iodine.
If it can be proved that the pipeline damage is intentional (which it seems that it will be able to) then I’d say direct confrontation is probable not possible.
Nobody is going to buy that it was anyone else but Russia.
This is an incredible move from putin and one he definitively won’t be able reverse.
Russia has been shelling nuclear plants, so the iodine could be about that.
I don't think nuclear Armageddon is on the menu. I don't think it's likely he'll use a tactical nuke or three to terrorize the Ukranians or NATO. But if he does, I think it will be done for psychological effect, I don't expect him to use a string of tactical nukes unless someone actually invades Russia proper (not the occupied territories).
Considering how "unthinkable" doing such a thing is to most westerners, it would be a very effective act of terrorism, but I expect the response by the world would only make things harder for him.
I don't think nuclear Armageddon is on the menu. I don't think it's likely he'll use a tactical nuke or three to terrorize the Ukranians or NATO. But if he does, I think it will be done for psychological effect, I don't expect him to use a string of tactical nukes unless someone actually invades Russia proper (not the occupied territories).
Considering how "unthinkable" doing such a thing is to most westerners, it would be a very effective act of terrorism, but I expect the response by the world would only make things harder for him.
Nice series of lectures in case anyone is interested
The thing is, the leaks in Nord Stream 1 and 2 have quite some distance between them. It would have to be two separate incidents, and two accidents that usually happen that rarely are almost impossible. We might not yet know how it was done, but I see no scenario that this wasn't a coordinated attack.
I think the pipeline sabotage could be something that a couple governments may know about but revealing they know would jeopardize sources, methods, or capabilities. If the US knows based on some clandestine technology or source, they’ll have to do some parallel reconstruction to explain how they know it was Russia.
It is so obvious that the RU trolls have stepped up the disinformation campaign on the pipeline sabotage. So many bots constantly posting the same tripe about Biden saying in some press conference that they can Nord stream.
Sorry, USA went so far as implementing sanctions against Germany about Nord Stream 2. As they acted that hostile they are an easy suspect. Not saying that they did, but in this case you just don't need to be a Russian troll to have doubts about the USA.
He's been seen in public a lot more since Klopp has brought them back into contention.
Exactly, sanctions is how US operates, I mean this is quite obvious what happened here.
I read that as Tynchy Stryder at first and was keen to get his views on the situation
They have left one NS2 line operational intentionally too knowing that the pressure will mount to open it up, now that NS1 is fully out of order. I’m not surprised that people in west still falling for this, they have been toyed with by Russian propaganda for ages without realizing it. They must have been laughing in Kremlin all those years really how suspect western population have been to their trolls and disinformation campaigns. Imagine they now blow up Norway’s pipe and only viable option will now suddenly going to be NS2, accidentally?
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According to pro Russian Telegram channel Rybar, the Ukrainians are gaining ground both north and east of Lyman and are now close to encirciling the city.
False flag? On one level the people with the most to gain from the pipeline being broken would be Ukraine. I don't think Ukraine would do this, but Russia might and claim it was them. Just an idea, I don't think anyone knows for sure yet.
Don't think the US has been holding back on intelligence lately.
I'm waiting to see how Russia will try to leverage this. This is so insanely bizarre that I can't come up with anything beyond Bond-level theories.
Russia should be designated a state sponsor of terrorism.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...restrained-during-fsb-interrogation-in-russia
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...restrained-during-fsb-interrogation-in-russia
Is anyone seriously thinking that if the Norway pipe is destroyed the EU will suddenly cave to every demand from Russia and start paying in rubles or whatever they ask?
It would escalate something though.
No, but just the fear that something will happen will feed the Russian trolls in Europe. Discontent in the West is a win for Russia.
Well it will be discontent but towards the one who destroyed the pipeline, not their governments.
Then, we are pretty sure that Scholz will never ever agree to designate Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. Right?
Danish PM just stated that leaks on NS pipelines were the result of direct action (sabotage).
Of course.