The Russian trolls will happily say that there is no proof it was Russia. It could be Germany who did it. No? Can you prove that it wasn't Germany? Can you prove it wasn't Ukrainian nazis? Can you prove it wasn't the Klingons?
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The Russian trolls will happily say that there is no proof it was Russia. It could be Germany who did it. No? Can you prove that it wasn't Germany? Can you prove it wasn't Ukrainian nazis? Can you prove it wasn't the Klingons?
It was Orcs.
Some people who have irradiated brains won't believe it even if you find the submarine captain who commanded the mission to wreck it and he admits on live TV. I mean look at the US with those who support Trump. Thankfully they are still a minority.
how many submarines have Ukraine got?
"Lift the sanctions so we can fix the pipes we blew up"
The US doesn’t generally release stuff like satellite evidence or other sensitive collection methods. When Trump showed off a satellite image of an Iranian rocket detonating on the launchpad, it was a huge deal for the intel community since it showed the quality of the satellite imagery.
Even in the lead up to the war, they didn’t share the good stuff with NATO or Ukraine, and all of that was stuff that could have multiple sources.
Well if its convincing nato countries who did it, they absolutely will share the data but maybe not the sources. Just as they did before the invasion.
Would Ukraine have the means to do it? Highly doubtful. Russia have proven they are able, and willing, to operate in this way. Salisbury for example.
How many have Russia got is more the question. Ukraine don't need any for Russia to claim one of their allies assisted them. I thought everyone would understand what a false flag was, should have been clearer sorry.
How many have Russia got that work is the real question.
Very weird scenario because Putin is trying to weaponize the pipeline, sabotaging it does nothing for his hope that Germany beg him to turn on the taps again. I actually think this could have been NATO as a statement to Putin, who is assuming Germany will beg him to restart supply, by damaging the pipeline and effectively stopping it's ability to transport LNG it takes away a massive part of Putin's leverage.
Ah I see apologies.
I just can’t see a nato country sabotaging the lines.
Unless the ultimate aim is to deliberately escalate things potentially to a nuclear conclusion which doesn’t seem like a stance nato would take.
I’m sure they (we) are all hoping it doesn’t come to that and Russia is defeated with conventional means.
Maybe I’m naive I don’t know but the most logical conclusion is that it was Russia was responsible.
Probably not. Though if I were in charge I might be tempted to think that the cost for the EU is too high.
I think so. If Trump were around I might believe anything but Biden seems quite considered in general, a lot less likely to act incautiously. I hope
Senior people will know if nato did it or not. The response will be the same in any event - immediate escalation, so I guess we’ll never know the truth.I think so. If Trump were around I might believe anything but Biden seems quite considered in general, a lot less likely to act incautiously. I hope
I know what I think though.
It obviously wasn’t the US. Absolutely no need. The gas isn’t flowing through those pipes now anyway and the EU is in a good place ahead of winter and has moved away from Russian gas. This was a warning shot from the Russians - the Norwegian supply gets cut and it’s fecking chaos:
Only Hungary and Turkey remain now.
Btw reuters are the lowest of the low, I advise you to avoid them as a news source due to strong links with Kremlin.
ReuTers innitReuters "lowest of the low"?
Come on dude.
They had to already backtrack and apologize (with public statements) for a lot of misreporting on Ukraine. This happens so regularly this is definitely anything but a coincidence.Reuters "lowest of the low"?
Come on dude.
They admittedly rank quite low with stuff regarding war in Ukraine.Reuters "lowest of the low"?
Come on dude.
Examples?
Just a handful I was able to find off the back of quick search but the pattern is evident and the angle they’re purposefully pushing.
Putin helping to export grain from Ukraine?
Russian armed forces = Ukrainian rebels?
Kherson separatists?
To anyone more knowledgeable than me please.
if the damage to the gas line is deliberate, what does that mean in terms of a possible reaction?
my view is that it’s going to mean explicit conflict between nato and Russia.
please convince me otherwise
if the damage to the gas line is deliberate, what does that mean in terms of a possible reaction?
my view is that it’s going to mean explicit conflict between nato and Russia.
please convince me otherwise
It'll be a nato/Russia conflict if the Norway pipe is touched.
It can't be proved that's russia. Also damaging pipelines might not be enough to trigger article 5, or be considered an attack. If an attack is in NATO waters, then yeah, it's an attack, but if it's in international waters, I'm not sure.
This one? Nothing at all. It wasn’t functioning anyway (cause Russia weaponized their gas export), and Europe was/is preparing without the Russian gas.
Almost surely it was a message that they might do this to the Norway pipeline. In which case, I assume NATO would escalate too cause that would be a total act of war.
If it is deliberate then surely the only possible option is Russia? I’m not buying that a nato country would have done it in order to escalate.
Russia owns the Nord stream lines I think
Basically they broke their own stuff... (The implication being if we can do that we could take out other lines) but I don't think a NATO Russia conflict will happen over them breaking their own stuff
Russia declaring the Donbas part of Russia tomorrow and presumably then accusing Ukraine of attacking russian territory ... Now that might escalate quickly if they demand Ukrainian withdrawal and start threatening tactical nukes etc
My apologies for the rather rude response the other night - I had been having an argument on the same topic with in laws and over- reacted a bit to your rather harmless post. And, joking aside, i’d rather read your never dull postings than some more abuse directed at Harry Maguire.
Thanks for the reply, from what I understand breaking this line might affect “legit” supplies from the nordics?
I don't think so
This happened the day a new Norway Poland line opened up and pretty close to it
And simultaneous explosions probably shows their ability to strike numerous Norwegian pipes at once
But to the best of my knowledge this will not impact any non russian pipelines
No it doesn't, those are different pipelines. It's just about the message that those could be destroyed as well.
Thank you for the reply.
Makes me feel a bit better about the situation.
If putin is just dipping his toes in the water then hopefully the reaction will prevent him from actually doing it
There’s a video clip of Biden saying that if Russia attacks Ukraine, then USA will take out Nord Stream.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMF8CLvaQ/
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMF8CLvaQ/
Yeah if reaction is strong though something along the lines of Norway/USA coming out to say that article 5 will be activated right away should similar thing happen to their pipe.
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