Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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So people aren't allowed to flee from a war they don't want to participate in? What a stupid comment from that guy.
True, but I'm just a bit concerned about what Russia is planning. First they bring out the nuclear talks again, next they "formally" annex some territories and lastly use that to claim Russia is under attack if Ukraine keeps pressing. I wouldn't be surprised if the nuclear threats start to really heat up in the coming weeks.
I mean... some draftees did move to Canada during the Vietnam war...
They do have a credibility issue on this which is related to Crimea. As far as Russia is concerned, it has been their territory since 2014. Ukraine has attacked bases there during this conflict and it didn't trigger a nuclear response.
This isn't some sort of flawless "therefore they won't do it related to other territories" argument, but it is notable as far as them wanting to now tie whatever they recognize as their territory to nuclear weapons use in response.
The US has apparently been using back channels to the Russian hierarchy, warning them not to use tactical nukes (which allegedly included how the US would respond). Although he would ordinarily use them in a heartbeat if not for the US and NATO, he knows that any use of tactical nukes would only expedite his demise.
If true that’s outrageous.
It’s about time Russian soldiers actually decide to fight for their country and head to Moscow.
I meant that the sanctions are responsible for the lack of first aid kits and emergency first aid like tampons and pads. I'm only a little surprised they don't provide boots are those are part of the uniform, definitely ridiculous they have to buy their own winter gear, this isn't the army of the Bahamas or Equador, they're very likely to need that gear.
I am surprised to hear that there's no medicine or bandages, just because they're so essential, very cost effective as well, a dollar's worth of supplies can save a life, that's a soldier that can heal up and go back to fight. Medicine will spoil, but surely not bandages!
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in their logistics headquarters, can only imagine the stress they're under, trying to make a broken system function.
Probably specific sanctions wouldn't make much sense, as simple stuff exists in Russia and electronics etc are generally sanctioned, not only for these companies?
I do hope this was Russia and not some well-meaning so called "ally" trying to make sure Germany doesn't strike a deal with Russia... otherwise severe questions would have to be asked...
A bit concerning that Kherson is only 97.47 . Clearly a laggard compared with Zapharozhia.
It’s been the talking point for a long time but it obviously got highlighted during the actual huge military conflict with tens of thousands soldiers being deployed in war conditions. The emergency first aid kits are equipped with stuff from the 1960’s, including rubber tourniquets that snap in half when used etc. (and they are used to stop heavy bleeding when you literally have seconds, not minutes, to save someone’s life).
As for boots and clothes — you’ll usually get something, but it’s likely going to be not your size, worn out etc. If you lose it, and soldiers often steal pieces of clothing and equipment from one another (in a cruel replica of musical chairs), you have to replace it yourself — etc. officially it isn’t an issue, every soldier will get everything on paper, but in reality, decades of institutionalized corruption can’t go on without taking a toll. And they clearly did.
Good, shame them back to conscription.
Scholz and Macron should understand that they both gonna get shame and escalation anyway.
I don’t see how it makes much sense for anyone but Russia to be responsible. I would expect the US or UK (basically the only other Navies likely capable) could be more subtle than blowing it up with something that registered on seismographs.
It makes far more sense as a coercive measure from Russia and threat against other pipelines, like those from Norway.
"Timothy Ash, a senior emerging markets sovereign strategist, said the allegations that Russia could be behind the damage were "remarkable."
"So a number of holes appeared in these pipelines, which are thick and buried deep. This has to be subs, likely Russian subs," he said in an emailed note, adding that it would be "incredible" if Russia was found to have been willing "to cause such risks to shipping in the Baltics.""
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/27/rus...ter-leaks-found-on-nord-stream-pipelines.html
"Leaks of this size are a severe safety and environmental hazard, especially should Russia not stop pumping gas into the system."
Is that the point, to cause an environmental hazard? If they don't stop pumping gas that will tell us all we need to know.
"So a number of holes appeared in these pipelines, which are thick and buried deep. This has to be subs, likely Russian subs," he said in an emailed note, adding that it would be "incredible" if Russia was found to have been willing "to cause such risks to shipping in the Baltics.""
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/27/rus...ter-leaks-found-on-nord-stream-pipelines.html
"Leaks of this size are a severe safety and environmental hazard, especially should Russia not stop pumping gas into the system."
Is that the point, to cause an environmental hazard? If they don't stop pumping gas that will tell us all we need to know.
If the North Sea gas pipelines get hit then western Europe is in serious trouble. We are already on the edge of blackout territory. UK has only a few days of gas storage. Germany has the most - about three months as I recollect.
We all know who did it but proving it is going to be hard and I think not everyone would want to even do that and risk to "humiliate" certain someone so we will just do nothing to not cause any escalations.
That’s how Russian propaganda works btw.
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Why would Putin want to damage their own pipeline, if he doesn't want to pump gas he just won't as it was the case up till now.
An idea came to me in terms of "escalation", and I haven't seen it mentioned this far.
Russia are threatening with nuclear weapons if their territory is attacked, and while their territories have been attacked (both Crimea and Belgorod), Ukrainian army hasn't actually set foot there.
With annexation of these new territories, they will have in their own mind Ukraine actually fighting on the territory of Russia. I'm not speaking here from perspective of military terminology, as I'm completely lacking in that sense. But what if Russians, in their own crazy terms of this war, see Ukrainian army setting foot on "their" ground as escalation, rather than rockets and missiles fired at them?
Russia are threatening with nuclear weapons if their territory is attacked, and while their territories have been attacked (both Crimea and Belgorod), Ukrainian army hasn't actually set foot there.
With annexation of these new territories, they will have in their own mind Ukraine actually fighting on the territory of Russia. I'm not speaking here from perspective of military terminology, as I'm completely lacking in that sense. But what if Russians, in their own crazy terms of this war, see Ukrainian army setting foot on "their" ground as escalation, rather than rockets and missiles fired at them?
Signal to west and markets (for price increases = pressure from consumers) as to be wary of ‘attacks’ on Norway’s pipe during the winter aka look of what we’re capable of…
To use a now useless asset to show what could be done to other pipelines in the area (without attacking any NATO asset as it's owned by Russia). Don't think it's a coincidence this happened the day another north-sea pipeline opened.
Exactly.
I don't understand why Ukraine won't hold a referendum at the same time to declare the regions Ukrainian. We can have referendums every week on this matter until the end of time.
I suppose they have better things to do than to be stupid like the Kremlin
I suppose they have better things to do than to be stupid like the Kremlin
I dont think anyone doubts that pipelines can be destroyed. Same as underwater optic cables.
Should Ukraine hold any sort of referendum, it would signal that there is some sort of dispute over the regions. Ukraine doesn't need any sort of referendum, these things are undisputedly Ukrainian.
By the same token no one doubts atomic bombs can be dropped. To demonstrate ones willingness would be another thing though.
Not sure whats your point or even how it is even remotely equivalent to using nuclear weapons.
Well, the territories are occupied by Russian soldiers so it would be quite hard to do that at this moment.I don't understand why Ukraine won't hold a referendum at the same time to declare the regions Ukrainian. We can have referendums every week on this matter until the end of time.
I suppose they have better things to do than to be stupid like the Kremlin
Nord Stream 2 was ended, it's already dead. There is no connection to that statement.
It doesn't seem to stop Russia from holding one in a safehouse anyway and saying they 'represent the region'
I mean it's bollocks, we all know that. These referenda change nothing.
Not sure how much clearer I can spell it out for you. He could have done it to make everyone think twice about their next step. I'm not saying he's done it. Just laying out possible motivations. He thinks he can scare western democracies into giving up on Ukraine, and this might be one step in the plethora of Putins scare tactics.
Environmental blackmail maybe? I don't know if it is technically possible, but maybe Russia could turn on the gas on their end and it gushes out in the baltic sea?