Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

harms said:
It certainly was very easy, especially in wealthier regions. I'm not sure how hard it is to prove that someone cheated their way out of conscription — usually a doctor in the army-affiliated facility or an army officer at the conscription office were bribed to get a fake medical diagnosis that get you expelled from service. Unless those particular people were caught red-handed, which happens sometimes (and triggers a retrospective reassessment of their previous cases), it's pretty tough to prove foul play.

I doubt that they'll have the time to check old cases and issue those reassessments on those who are already expelled from service. It'll take so much time as you'll have to prove that their medical evaluation was not legit (which, most likely, means a couple of weeks in an army's hospital to check everything out for themselves).
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That makes sense. Thanks for the thorough answer!
 
Rajma said:
I don’t believe all those tweets, I’m just taking part in information warfare for a long time now because Putin is at war with the west.
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Am I getting this right, are you posting untrue things as part of a campaign to support Ukraine on Redcafe? Sorry if I misunderstood.
 
I just love these kind of videos. Every time there's an anti-Putin protest pro-Putin guys come in to argue for him and to provoke a negative reaction (and, ideally, a fight). And almost every time the police that was instructed to detain every member of the protest grabs them despite them shouting that it's a misunderstanding.

1st video
https://t.me/lentachold/53190
2nd video
https://t.me/lentachold/53192
 
Abizzz said:
Why? Anyone that makes it across can't be pressed into fighting for Putin...
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Surely for each side it’s now a case of grabbing as much land as quickly as possible before winter sets in? Offensives are going to be significantly more difficult in the cold and winter would provide a cooling off to dig in along the front lines.
 
NotThatSoph said:
Am I getting this right, are you posting untrue things as part of a campaign to support Ukraine on Redcafe? Sorry if I misunderstood.
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No, I’m just not that bothered about fact checking the information if it comes from Ukrainian minded sources when sharing it, so you have to take it with a pinch of salt. I’m a victim of Ukrainian propaganda.
 
Eurotrash said:
True. But what if all those cars turned around and headed for the Kremlin to oust that dictator. That would be fighting for your country, in the truest sense.
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That would be better but you can't ask everyone to become a martyr.
 
Abizzz said:
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What's your point here? Anyone who was in Russia on the 24th of Februar should fight to their death? Please answer in words if you can.
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I can't blame those people of course, running is the easiest option. However, if not them, who are supposed to fix this mess? Us? Majority of people in that queue were completely fine with everything that happened up until they got affected personally, they had like 7 months to leave and chose not to. You can be sure that a big amount of people there are similar clowns to the picture I posted, who will continue spreading their nonsense living in Finland or wherever.
 
Lot of talk by Biden currently about Putin and Russia at the UN speech thing.

Seen a really hot take on The Times talking up the potential usage of a tactical nuke ffs
 
Rajma said:
No, I’m just not that bothered about fact checking the information if it comes from Ukrainian minded sources when sharing it, so you have to take it with a pinch of salt. I’m a victim of Ukrainian propaganda.
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Why, though, what's the point? What do you see as advantageous about making people here believe lies and false information, or making them doubt the legitimate things posted here? It's not like there's any drought of real information that paints Ukraine in a good light and Russia a bad one, there's no supply of here people here who can be convinced of shifting from pro Russia to Ukraine, and even if there were it's not like people here matter in any way to the outcome of the war.

When I see you post things now, I'll obviously be very skeptical. Not that my thoughts specifically should be important to you, but I think it's a pretty natural reaction to someone admitting to posting dubious information as part of an informational warfare campaign, so you shouldn't be surprised if other people start assuming you're posting lies as well.

This is similar to Glaston (pbuh) and his twitter storms: when you post garbage it detracts from the real information as well. And it's not even useful, like propaganda in the real world or public spaces can be.
 
Abizzz said:
That would be better but you can't ask everyone to become a martyr.
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I'm not asking for everyone to become a martyr. But 300k people now have a choice - become cannon fodder in a futile war against your neighbour, or fight for the future of your country.

It would only take 1/10th of those drafted to make a stand and it should topple the Kremlin.
 
Eurotrash said:
I'm not asking for everyone to become a martyr. But 300k people now have a choice - become cannon fodder in a futile war against your neighbour, or fight for the future of your country.

It would only take 1/10th of those drafted to make a stand and it should topple the Kremlin.
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Fully Fledged said:
I don't blame them. I wouldn't want to fight for something I didn't believe in either.
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I mean it would be great if some kind of faction could focus the Russian people on this. I’m sure there’s no appetite for conscription or even continuing in this war. When will enough be enough?
 
An obvious shot in the dark guess here, but I see this mobilization going more the way of Russian Empire WW1 than I see it going the way of USSR WW2 for Putin.
 
It's practically full mobilisation of those than have any chance of contributing meaningfully? Anything fuller than that is basically assembling the babushkas ...
 
dove said:
Majority of people in that queue were completely fine with everything that happened up until they got affected personally, they had like 7 months to leave and chose not to.
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Do you know this for sure? I'm still in Moscow 7 months in, recovering, physically & mentally, from an accident where my best friend also got killed, plus my grandparents won't have anyone to look after them if I were to leave; I've been openly opposing Putin, going on protests since before I turned 18, I've protested against the inclusion of Crimea, went on the streets when the war started etc.; I wonder, would you turn me down if I was trying to run away? After all, I've had 7 months to leave and chose not to. Or the majority of people that I was hypothetically crossing the border with did and who cares about the rest.

This logic is also used by Estonian and Finnish border control when they're turning down Ukrainians that fled from the war to Russia (because it was the only way) and stayed there longer than the border control felt was appropriate, which angers me way more than the same treatment that Russians get for obvious reasons. But it's the logic itself that is at fault. Do an interview and don't let the war supporters in, don't fecking shut down the Iron Curtain from outside.
 
Eurotrash said:
It would only take 1/10th of those drafted to make a stand and it should topple the Kremlin.
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You think that 30k of random men from all over the country is enough to topple Putin's regime?
 
People forget that this 300k are people like us. Or against the war or poor sods that had been manipulated. I would be terrified. Is not that easy to be brave in the circumstances that russia treats protestors. So please, dont ask russians to do what you most likely would not dare to do

In the end war affects normal people because shity leaders decide so. So lets not blame the ones that are getting feck for their decisions

Laughing that they dont have the balls...i know i will not have the balls
 
harms said:
Do you know this for sure? I'm still in Moscow 7 months in, recovering, physically & mentally, from an accident where my best friend also got killed, plus my grandparents won't have anyone to look after them if I were to leave; I've been openly opposing Putin, going on protests since before I turned 18, I've protested against the inclusion of Crimea, went on the streets when the war started etc.; I wonder, would you turn me down if I was trying to run away? After all, I've had 7 months to leave and chose not to. Or the majority of people that I was hypothetically crossing the border with did and who cares about the rest.

This logic is also used by Estonian and Finnish border control when they're turning down Ukrainians that fled from the war to Russia (because it was the only way) and stayed there longer than the border control felt was appropriate, which angers me way more than the same treatment that Russians get for obvious reasons. But it's the logic itself that is at fault. Do an interview and don't let the war supporters in, don't fecking shut down the Iron Curtain from outside.
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I don't. Sorry for your loss. I know there is a fair amount of sensible people like you in Russia, it's just that I believe IF any change is to happen in Russia, it must come from within and seeing completely no movement is quite staggering. But I guess it's easy to talk from outside and sometimes I post some crap without thinking. Sorry if it offended you.
 
harms said:
You think that 30k of random men from all over the country is enough to topple Putin's regime?
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I feel happy for people who live in countries and under regimes that still have some accountability.

But some are very ignorant about what it is like to live under very oppressive regimes. My country, Burma, had some of the harshest regimes in the past 60-70 years. The recent coup by the military was devastating for the country. Millions protested peacefully. Hundreds of thousands of people decided to fight with weapons. Thousands of innocent people died. Hundreds of villages and towns were razed. The economy is down the drain now. The regime is still there—supported by Putin...
 
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