Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Changing street names? What?
This is likely part of the "denazification" Russia demands. Rename streets named after people who are considered Nazis makes absolutely sense. This is a bit aftermath of WW2 when the German Wehrmacht liberated Ukraine from the Soviet Union (not everyone saw it that way, but there was a huge amount of Ukrainians siding with the Nazis).
 
Still blows my mind this is actually happening.



Netflix just started carrying Zelinskyy's TV show from just before his political career a few days ago. Watched the first episode where he improbably wins the Presidency. Just surreal to think its the same guy we're seeing here throughout all of this.
 
Netflix just started carrying Zelinskyy's TV show from just before his political career a few days ago. Watched the first episode where he improbably wins the Presidency. Just surreal to think its the same guy we're seeing here throughout all of this.
"Truth is stranger than fiction". I think this quote applies here. We're witnessing surreal events.
 
It turns out that Russia is only opening its stock market tomorrow in relation to federal loan bonds, and not anything else such as company shares, because they fear what will otherwise happen and have no other means of of stopping it.
 
I don’t think it was plan A, but was certainly always likely the plan B.

I was listening to a lecture from 2015, that says that could only ever be the plan because of the Western Ukraine's European focus. That it was common knowledge that invasion and occupation was beyond Russia, and any invasion would just be about wrecking the place and causing a refugee problem and then just retreating, with a, 'you can have it then'. At which point the west would say, no thanks.

The lecturer said that Ukraine was strategically crucial for Russia but a free hit for the west. So stir it up but never commit to it. Had it been from last week and not 2015 I would have been more skeptical.

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I was listening to a lecture from 2015, that says that could only ever be the plan because of the Western Ukraine's European focus. That it was common knowledge that invasion and occupation was beyond Russia, and any invasion would just be about wrecking the place and causing a refugee problem and then just retreating, with a, 'you can have it then'. At which point the west would say, no thanks.

The lecturer said that Ukraine was strategically crucial for Russia but a free hit for the west. So stir it up but never commit to it. Had it been from last week and not 2015 I would have been more skeptical.

I don't think the "no thanks" part is correct, though. This has created such an amount of sympathy that I'm sure Ukraine will get into the EU if they want to. I wouldn't be surprised to see them in Nato soon either, no matter what any agreement with Russia says. Russia has repeatedly proven that they don't honour agreements, so no one should feel obliged to honour them either.
 
We have an election in two weeks, so Orban and Fidesz had to quickly distance themselves from Putin, but the people are not completely stupid which made it a bit difficult. I don't think that there is any way back to Putin, so Orban and co must restore the relationship with the European Union.

The tricky situation is that we are completely reliant on the Russian gas - among other things -, and I don't know how much reserve we have, but our industry would basically stop once it runs out. As a consequence, our currency plummeted really quickly in the first few days and there was already high inflation in the country.


Yeah, you are 100% reliant on Russia for gas I read. What's the long term guesses on that in your press?
 
I don't think the "no thanks" part is correct, though. This has created such an amount of sympathy that I'm sure Ukraine will get into the EU if they want to. I wouldn't be surprised to see them in Nato soon either, no matter what any agreement with Russia says. Russia has repeatedly proven that they don't honour agreements, so no one should feel obliged to honour them either.

Ah yeah, I don't think anyone foresaw the unity that has been seen around Ukraine. That has to have an effect you'd think.


Edit - I was lazily paraphrasing, added the link to YouTube version above. I'm not linking to the lefty podcast I heard it on.
 
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Yeah, you are 100% reliant on Russia for gas I read. What's the long term guesses on that in your press?
I think they are just going to get rid of it slowly like the other EU countries. The plan of EU right is to reduce that percentage quickly and end it by 2027.

There is not enough on the market to do it sooner.

 
One of the tasty subplots in all of this is how the Klingons of the Russian Federation (Kadyrov and Co) have been farcically ineffective in living up to the tough guy image they've promoted over the years.

Let's get real, Russia is a country with a smaller economy than New York state, in a total demographic death spiral, that doesn't make/produce anything worthwhile and that wouldn't really matter if it weren't for nat gas and all the deals our German friends have been making with them..., yet we have been treating them as an existential threat since WWII... Hope they can feck off back to obscurity once again.
 
Are other Chinese state figures so open?


Most of their accounts have turned extremely critical of the US. Brining up US history, recent wars, and human rights abuses in the US. They keep posting it in different ways.

And it seems the Chinese state sponsored media has been passing on the Kremlin’s propaganda in the countries where Russian media is now banned.




 
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Are other Chinese state figures so open?



They don't have an independent media to pass 'unnamed sources' style stories so there's no reason not to do their US government bashing directly. Since Trump it's been a constant tit for tat.

There's no real point discussing China's role in the Ukraine conflict as they've set their stall out. Calling for peace, ceasefire and an end to civilian deaths is as far as they'll go. They're more likely to assist those indirectly impacted like Africa.
 
This is likely part of the "denazification" Russia demands. Rename streets named after people who are considered Nazis makes absolutely sense. This is a bit aftermath of WW2 when the German Wehrmacht liberated Ukraine from the Soviet Union (not everyone saw it that way, but there was a huge amount of Ukrainians siding with the Nazis).

Just for perspective, and especially since it suits neither side's current narrative: the number of Ukrainians in the red army plus pro-soviet partisan units was more 1-2 orders of magnitude greater than those in the nationalist, hiwi, and waffen-SS militias/divisions.
 
Or what? That's what scares me. They've already destroyed the city. Are they going to indiscriminately bomb civilians more? Or use chemical weapons or tactical nukes?

Putin is obviously desperate for Mariupol, both as a land bridge and as a bargaining chip for a negotiated settlement. The Ukrainians shouldn’t bite.
 
Putin is obviously desperate for Mariupol, both as a land bridge and as a bargaining chip for a negotiated settlement. The Ukrainians shouldn’t bite.
Putin is not settling for anything in the negotiations. Some oligarch will need to hire someone to put a bullet in his head before there's peace.

I'm also sick of over a month of the talk about a 'land bridge'
It's shameful that this super power failed in such an epic way on every level.
 
I've been trying to avoid watching coverage of this, but I had to comment on Don Lemon of CNN finally coming out of the studio. He's in Lviv and explaining what a siren means.
I've never seen a reporter look so scared. :nervous:
 
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I've been trying to avoid watching coverage of this, but I had to comment on Don Lemon of CNN finally coming out of the studio. He's in Lviv and explaining what a siren means.
I've never seen a reporter look so scared. :nervous:
His real and lasting contribution to history will forever be those on-stage interviews with Biden where he's willing Biden to make it to the end of a sentence like Alan Partridge rooting for Joe Beasley.
 
Are other Chinese state figures so open?



That is an example of the Wolf Warrior diplomacy - an aggressive style of coercive diplomacy adopted by Chinese officials and diplomats under Xi. Those people have no clue about decorum whatsoever when addressing to foreign nations through official channels. Can you imagine how that would have sounded like if any Western minister, secretary of X department, or general publicly takes a shit on China with that tone? That would make noise in the evening news.

Those "Wolf Warriors" are arguably the most self-entitled and worst whataboutist people in the geopolitical arena, which is perhaps a by-product of being raised as a lone child according to that old policy. And by the way, I don't need to remind China what happened on the last time they pissed off virtually all major world powers at once.
 
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He's right. Putin's gang are opportunists and they see the leadership vacuum in the current US administration.



Total Bullshit. The leadership vacuum occurred under Trump, who not only wouldn't have helped Ukraine in the slightest, he also would have blamed them and praised Putin.

The US and allies have placed massive sanctions on Russia and are supplying Ukraine with money, weapons, intelligence and humanitarian assistance - and lots of all these. Short of engaging in direct combat with Russian military, and thereby risking a nuclear WWIII, there's not much more they can do.
 
The only truthful thing that Sergei Lavrov has ever said is that what's happening in Ukraine " ... reflects the battle over what the world order will look like".

He's right about that. And when the dust settles, however long it takes, Putin's Russia will be consigned to the dustbin of history: a small economic power, an isolated pariah state, with a crumbling military unable to put out the several fires of insurrection that will spring up in every corner of its shrinking "sphere of influence"
 
Putin is obviously desperate for Mariupol, both as a land bridge and as a bargaining chip for a negotiated settlement. The Ukrainians shouldn’t bite.

They already told him to feck off. He also wants to be able to move those troops somewhere else.
 
Wonder if the Ukrainians can try bombing the Russian territory? I guess their resources are better used defending their own land but a direct threat to Russian population might be an interesting hypothetical scenario. Might it slow down the war and get Putin kicked out or maybe escalate it to a level of no coming back.