Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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I don't know the exact context of this and what those parties are like but the UK didn't have an election for 10 years from 35 to 45 during WW2.
Not particularly unusual for some kind of martial law to come into place when your country's existence is put into question.
Isn’t it parties with Russian links?
Also, who thinks the BBC, ITN, Channel 4 and Sky News would all be able to do four separate simulcasts of rolling news if Britain was invaded? I’d fully expect and support them being forced to pool their resources to keep people informed in that situation.
It's pro-Russian ideologies parties, not necessarily linked. Hardly surprising of course, given the circumstances.
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The AP reporting from Mariupol has been incredible.
Putin started to push his neighbours around over ten years ago, no one really pushed backed, certainly not NATO, so he has carried on. The inability to knock out Ukraine quickly will only probably make Putin more determined, especially if he is in his own 'bubble' and is listening only to himself.
It looks increasingly likely that if NATO and the West are not willing to risk a bigger /wider confrontation, not so much direct nuclear war, but something that would or could move swiftly to it through one mistake, then the only way Putin will be stopped is by his own people. This will take time to occur and the suffering in the Ukraine would continue.
One thing for certain the world will never quite look the same as it did before this madness began!
It looks increasingly likely that if NATO and the West are not willing to risk a bigger /wider confrontation, not so much direct nuclear war, but something that would or could move swiftly to it through one mistake, then the only way Putin will be stopped is by his own people. This will take time to occur and the suffering in the Ukraine would continue.
One thing for certain the world will never quite look the same as it did before this madness began!
Has anyone seen @harms here lately? Is he OK?
He lives in Ukraine?
Well if things continue that way, he might soon.
In Russia
eep, I’ma stay out of harms’ way
Russians are apparently digging into their positions, building trenches where they can't advance like in Kyiv.
I think Putin is attacking in the West, even ineffectively, to keep anyone else's troops from entering the country and holding the Western half of Ukraine, which could have been easily done weeks ago.
I also think Russia is desperate to make sure no one else helps Ukraine with men, thus the nuclear threats. What if Russia did launch a tactical nuke at, say, Australian troops that showed up to help? Worldwide condemnation? If so it would be worth it (if anything can be said to be worth the lives of soldiers), to turn China against them, it could end the war. I mean if tactical nukes are so clever why not use them against Ukraine? Talk about psychological warfare, it would surely be very effective at terrorising Ukrainians and getting them to flee.
I think the truth is he won't use them, unless someone invades Russia which is never happening.
I think Putin is attacking in the West, even ineffectively, to keep anyone else's troops from entering the country and holding the Western half of Ukraine, which could have been easily done weeks ago.
I also think Russia is desperate to make sure no one else helps Ukraine with men, thus the nuclear threats. What if Russia did launch a tactical nuke at, say, Australian troops that showed up to help? Worldwide condemnation? If so it would be worth it (if anything can be said to be worth the lives of soldiers), to turn China against them, it could end the war. I mean if tactical nukes are so clever why not use them against Ukraine? Talk about psychological warfare, it would surely be very effective at terrorising Ukrainians and getting them to flee.
I think the truth is he won't use them, unless someone invades Russia which is never happening.
The definition of which is supposedly at the heart of much that is currently unfolding in Ukraine.
Shorting is prohibited.
Surely they will reopen it at some point...
They will want to keep the ban as long as possible of course given that ADR\GDR shorts before they closed were something in the range of 700 million.
It's not meant to be, it's meant to avoid WW3 and nuclear self assured destruction. Even if there's only 1% chance of allied aggression coming to Nuclear war, you avoid it. If you think the leadership and partisanship of the US government vastly affects US military decisions then you don't truly understand the US Military Industial Complex.
Yeah, thanks for asking. Although it looks more & more likely that I’ll need to leave Russia soon while I still can.
I’m in Russia, so no bombs & tanks, just a fascist police state trying to root out everyone who dares to oppose the war or the regime itself.
Are there still international airlines flying to Moscow?
Hopefully it all works out for you mate in these tough times.
Would you basically have to fly out or is going across a land border an option for you?
There are a few options still available — Armenia, Turkey etc. Although the flights are scarce & the prices are brutal — not to mention the amount of people that the countries like that can comfortably accept in since Russians have already fled to Armenia, Georgia etc. in vast numbers.
Going across a land border would be tougher logistically but who knows what the situation will look like when/if I’ll do it.
Gotcha. Wasn’t sure the situation with a car and all since russian air travel has taken such a hit and car ownership in other places isn’t like it is here. I hope you stay safe and are able to get out man.
Stay safe.
I feel for you, even having to contemplate leaving your country, friends and family, and possibly job must be a terrible situation to be in.
Unfortunately I think the situation in Russia will only get worse.
Putin is like a rabid dog.
Yeah. It's hard to feel sorry for myself though since literally millions of Ukrainians don't even have that choice.
Seems about right — Georgia is one of the friendliest and hospitable countries around, it's relatively cheap, many people know Russian language etc. I'm really worrying about this forced gentrification though — especially in Armenia the rent prices had gone up almost 100% and a lot of Armenians that came to big cities like Erevan don't have the money to keep renting their places, while the influx of relatively wealthy & desperate political immigrants from Russia makes sure that there are always other takers.
Do you see many common Russians (not oligarchs) selling their assets abroad? Or at least trying to shift them.
Good luck to you mate, stay safe.
Those that I know personally, unsurprisingly, would rather go to their house, say, in Spain/Latvia/wherever instead of selling it. You have to understand that if you're a Russian with assets abroad and you're not directly involved with Putin you're unlikely to believe Russian propaganda.
For the first time in NATO's history you want it to directly attack Russian forces and believe there's no risk of that eventually escalating to the use of nuclear weapons because Putin is a bluffer.
So tell me, when the superior NATO forces quickly destroy all Russian units in Ukraine - after first having destroyed Russian anti-aircraft missile bases in Western Russia in order to keep its jets safe in the skies over Ukraine, what do you imagine Putin's response is going to be?
And then, what do you imagine NATO's response to Putin's response is going to be?
That sounds like it could turn ugly down the line.
Take care of yourself and hope you can get out safely.
I suppose you're aware, but just in case you aren't: a week (two?) ago the train from Saint Petersburg to Helsinki was still running and they were trying to increase its frequency from two to four per day because of the number of Russians (and others?) trying to get out. Maybe that's an option as well?