Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

golden_blunder said:
How do you know that?
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The report said it came from Nato airspace, no?

EDIT: My Eastern European geography isn't great and didn't realise you could fly direct through Russia, Romania and Hungary.
 
It's a "funny" situation: I'm not sure you could really blame the Russians for attacking a weapon's transport to their opponents in this war (as long as it happens inside the actual war zone at least), but then Nato couldn't just say "fair enough" either if it actually happened.
 
ZupZup said:
You’d think now would be the perfect time for the Belorussian military to be brave and oust Lukashenko if he tries to draw them into a war they want no part of.

It would have extremely popular support amongst the population and it’s maybe the only chance they would get where Russia are too busy to prevent it.
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They’re all bond with Lukashenko by the blood of their own people. Belarus’ army won’t be popular amongst the anti-Lukashenko public because of the atrocities that they’ve committed since 2020 and the people who are loyal to Lukashenko are hardly going to cheer for them either.
 
langster said:
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TBF I don't think it's realistic Russia are just going to watch loads of weapons and ammo be delivered to be used against them and do nothing about it

Probably NATO will handover shipments far from conflict zones and then leave it to Ukraine to handle the distribution to the front line

Can't imagine the royal engineers going in there and setting up logistic supply bridges and corridors under Russia fire... That will for sure escalate rapidly

Can see NATO giving hundreds of trucks though full of ammo and letting a ukranian driver hop in at the border and take it from there
 
harms said:
They’re all bond with Lukashenko by the blood of their own people. Belarus’ army won’t be popular amongst the anti-Lukashenko public because of the atrocities that they’ve committed since 2020 and the people who are loyal to Lukashenko are hardly going to cheer for them either.
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That’s really good to understand. I appreciate the context.
 
hellhunter said:
It doesn't really say where they would be targeted. Assuming on Ukrainian territory, this would have to be expected. Anywhere else and all hell breaks loose
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After these threats youd expect any convoy will be well defended all the way to the border. Russia wouldn't risk it, they're having trouble with Ukrainian air defences as it is.
 
hellhunter said:
Theres a stunning video report of Kharkiv from BBC's Quentin Sommerville on Twitter. He patrols the city with the Ukrainian army.

The video is 6 minutes long and also shows some dead bodies, so won't post it here
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Yeah, it is only on Twitter. The one on the BBC website and broadcast on TV was cut and didn’t show the petrol station scene.
 
sebsheep said:
If you carefully analyse his music, the notes spell out a very anti-NATO message.
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No. It is all a consequence of Russia waging a needless war of aggression upon a peaceful, sovereign state against a backdrop of concocted lies and false flags.

The same as people in the West face energy hikes and fuel poverty, a talented Russian pianist gets his concerts cancelled. For the people whom are not directly affected by the fighting, life sucks for us all in many ways, but we are not the victims, and neither is he.

No-one wants to be 'entertained' by someone who is associated with a terror state. I am pretty sure Germans weren't in high demand for shows during the II World War.

Let's put this in perspective: he is being asked not to play his piano for the foreseeable. He and his supporters can cry about that on Twitter while people in Ukraine dig mass graves or watch on helplessly as corpses are eaten by dogs. They are the victims.
 
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LDUred said:
No. It is all a consequence of Russia waging a needless war of aggression upon a peaceful, sovereign state against a backdrop of concocted lies and false flags.

The same as people in the West face energy hikes and fuel poverty, a talented Russian pianist gets his concerts cancelled. For the people whom are not directly affected by the fighting, life sucks for us all in many ways, but we are not the victims, and neither is he.

Let's put this in perspective: he is being asked not to play his piano for the foreseeable. He and his supporters can cry about that on Twitter while people in Ukraine dig mass graves or watch on helplessly as corpses are eaten by dogs.
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So are all Russians scum now?

Just asking so I know how I can interact with them for the foreseeable future.
 
Yep... a bit crazy that... russian citizens in Germany have been asked by their banks to provide proof of resident status. Many of them living in Germany for >20 years.
 
In terms of the war itself, what are the updates? Seems Russia has besieged multiple cities in the South and East (Sumy, Mariupol etc) and is trying to break the spirits of the defenders there with heavy bombing?

But that things have come to a bit of a standstill in Kiev and they're making minimal gains there?

And after 2 weeks, you can only really say they've taken one city?
 
africanspur said:
So are all Russians scum now?

Just asking so I know how I can interact with them for the foreseeable future.
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africanspur said:
In terms of the war itself, what are the updates? Seems Russia has besieged multiple cities in the South and East (Sumy, Mariupol etc) and is trying to break the spirits of the defenders there with heavy bombing?

But that things have come to a bit of a standstill in Kiev and they're making minimal gains there?

And after 2 weeks, you can only really say they've taken one city?
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There are 551 pages of updates, here
Happy reading.

As far as treating all Russians like scum...
That's your choice. Most of the world has just chosen a more civilized way of dealing with Russia by not dealing with Russians.
In the event that you might have a slightly more evolved perspective, there are some Russians fleeing their country because of what's happening in Ukraine and as a result in their own country. I wouldn't recommend treating any random Russian like shit.
 
ooeat0meoo said:
There are 551 pages of updates, here
Happy reading.

As far as treating all Russians like scum...
That's your choice. Most of the world has just chosen a more civilized way of dealing with Russia by not dealing with Russians.
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Thanks for the helpful response, I'll leave it to others to provide the most recent updates if they wish for those who have been following the thread and news but don't have the time and ability to know what's going on on a daily basis.

Excluding all nationals of a country, even those who have nothing to do with their country's actions, who actively oppose them and have chosen to make their lives outside of said country, is not a civilised approach.
 
UweBein said:
Yep... a bit crazy that... russian citizens in Germany have been asked by their banks to provide proof of resident status. Many of them living in Germany for >20 years.
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I don't like this trend of blaming Russians (and Belarusians) for the atrocities of Putin, especially ones that have chosen to make their home outside of Russia and have seemingly no connection to the Putin regime.

As for the above, don't Russians need visas to reside in Germany and have to reapply regularly for renewal? It just smacks of overdoing it and literally cancelling a whole nation.
 
africanspur said:
In terms of the war itself, what are the updates? Seems Russia has besieged multiple cities in the South and East (Sumy, Mariupol etc) and is trying to break the spirits of the defenders there with heavy bombing?

But that things have come to a bit of a standstill in Kiev and they're making minimal gains there?

And after 2 weeks, you can only really say they've taken one city?
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africanspur said:
Thanks for the helpful response, I'll leave it to others to provide the most recent updates if they wish for those who have been following the thread and news but don't have the time and ability to know what's going on on a daily basis.

Excluding all nationals of a country, even those who have nothing to do with their country's actions, who actively oppose them and have chosen to make their lives outside of said country, is not a civilised approach.
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I was going to give you the example of Svidler, a russian GM, he commentates chess tournaments and made it clear that he was against the war, he stated it live and Chess24 actually shared the clip on their twitter account. Despite that people keep asking why he isn't banned, why he is allowed to commentate and so on. A lot of people don't care about sense or being civilized.
 
Rightnr said:
I don't like this trend of blaming Russians (and Belarusians) for the atrocities of Putin, especially ones that have chosen to make their home outside of Russia and have seemingly no connection to the Putin regime.

As for the above, don't Russians need visas to reside in Germany and have to reapply regularly for renewal? It just smacks of overdoing it and literally cancelling a whole nation.
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These kinds of moves are only going to aid Putin’s nationalistic base. It’s a fine line between making clear your issue is with the Russian state and not Russia in and of itself. Unfortunately in their attempts at appearing clever many are falling into Russophobic moves and attacking random Russians who aren’t even in Russia any more for actions of which that have absolutely no involvement in.

It’s pretty disgusting in all honesty.
 
VorZakone said:
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Thanks very much, appreciate it.

JPRouve said:
I was going to give you the example of Svidler, a russian GM, he commentates chess tournaments and made it clear that he was against the war, he stated it live and Chess24 actually shared the clip on their twitter account. Despite that people keep asking why he isn't banned, why he is allowed to commentate and so on. A lot of people don't care about sense or being civilized.
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Very true and honestly really sad as well.
 
phelans shorts said:
These kinds of moves are only going to aid Putin’s nationalistic base. It’s a fine line between making clear your issue is with the Russian state and not Russia in and of itself. Unfortunately in their attempts at appearing clever many are falling into Russophobic moves and attacking random Russians who aren’t even in Russia any more for actions of which that have absolutely no involvement in.

It’s pretty disgusting in all honesty.
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What's really dangerous is how this rhetoric is often a precursor to a bigger conflict.

Set the population against the 'enemy' and it's so much easier to take the pain, approve wartime 'sacrifices' and spending on weapons.

Then again, there has been a trend in the West for a long time to cancel dissenting opinions which has been the reason that Putin has got so far as well. Sometimes the truth is not convenient.
 
The Norwegian government has made it easier for Ukrainian refugees to come to Norway. Basically their refugee status will no longer be based on the individual, but a membership in the collective group (essentially Ukrainians, but also others who lived in Ukraine up until the war). Ukrainians could still apply for asylum if they made it to Norway (and it would be granted), but there were some concerns that legally speaking, Norwegians (or others) who transported Ukrainians without a biometric passport to Norway (which many are doing, with buses or their own cars) would be considered human traffickers. Also, they'll be able to work in Norway for at least a year, and have the right to bring their family into the country.
 
TheReligion said:
Russia playing with fire if they look at targeting NATO convoys
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They're not NATO convoys. They are convoys carrying weapons and supplies - some from NATO, some not - driven by Ukrainians or other volunteers.
 
Rightnr said:
What's really dangerous is how this rhetoric is often a precursor to a bigger conflict.

Set the population against the 'enemy' and it's so much easier to take the pain, approve wartime 'sacrifices' and spending on weapons.

Then again, there has been a trend in the West for a long time to cancel dissenting opinions which has been the reason that Putin has got so far as well. Sometimes the truth is not convenient.
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There are horrific war crimes happening in Ukraine.
As someone who was very involved in being a dissenting voice in America (Not getting into all that here), the only gains Putin has made is with the dumbest of the left and right.
In addition, I've been a constant critic of western media in the US. As far as the coverage of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, I can't say I've seen any dishonest or manipulative coverage.
 
GlastonSpur said:
They're not NATO convoys. They are convoys carrying weapons and supplies - some from NATO, some not - driven by Ukrainians or other volunteers.
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But they will be driven through the polish borders, if Russia attacks a convoy in polish soil, it would be an attack on NATO.
 
Frosty said:
I would be shocked if the Russian military did that. But then again I thought they would never invade.
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There is a real chance that they can't properly read maps or GPS coordinates, so...
 
ooeat0meoo said:
There are horrific war crimes happening in Ukraine.
As someone who was very involved in being a dissenting voice in America (Not getting into all that here), the only gains Putin has made is with the dumbest of the left and right.
In addition, I've been a constant critic of western media in the US. As far as the coverage of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, I can't say I've seen any dishonest or manipulative coverage.
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Not blaming the media but you know the layman won't be as good as journalists in making the distinction.

Stirring up a certain sentiment can happen even if not done on purpose.
 
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