Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

sglowrider said:
A good interview that crystalises the Ukraine conflict and some of its uniqueness.

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Really good interview.

The part about the UN establishing humanitarian corridors is often overlooked because they haven't done so in a while, but they also can get involved to ensure humanitarian help to get through as a part of their mandate. If they want to bring in non-NATO troops to enforce the protection of humanitarian convoys, they are always welcome to do so. I think they are long due to do something big to get their good image back after 2-3 decades of nothing.
 
marktan said:
At that point you would wonder if it's simply better to just give up and accept your fate instead of all the bloodshed. If the west doesn't want to get involved due to the risk of nuclear warfare then there is no outcome other than Ukraine falling. And other non-Nato European countries will likely be next if Putin lives long enough, Maldova is almost certainly guaranteed, and Finland and Sweden are very feasible targets as Nato wouldn't get involved. The only saving grace is that Putin is already quite old. Had he been 10 years younger you'd almost certainly be looking at further invasions, and the question you'd have to ask is at what point do you intervene to stop the madness. Instead it looks as though Ukraine won't be the Czechoslovakia of WW2, but rather just a sacrificial lamb.
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Sarni said:
Basically zero chance he takes Ukraine and even less chance he ever gets anywhere near Finland or Sweden.
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Both Finland and Sweden are in EU. NATO founding member Denmark is the only EU country currently not covered by EU's article 42.7 (the equivalent of NATO's article 5). And guess what, Denmark has just decided to hold a referendum in june to abolish their opt out and join EU's defense pact (Thank you Putin).

Even if Putin is crasy enough to want war with EU, such a war could very quickly become a NATO war as 21 of the 27 EU members are in NATO. And Biden doesn't seem to appraise the security of Europe in the same way Trump did. Is he crasy enough to want that WW3?

Furthemore Europe is taking more steps to strength its defense capabilities. Many countries have already announced increased spending on defense. And yesterday the EU summit announced a new plan with up to 200 billions for defense.
 


You can always rely on Fox to twist the past and turn something that should be easy reporting in to outright bullshit.

Did they forget Trump withholding aid to Ukraine and trying to convince the public it was Ukraine that interfered with the election and not Russia and openly blackmail them to open an investigation into Biden.

The exact actions that led to his first impeachment...

Ffs
 
langster said:
You can always rely on Fox to twist the past and turn something that should be easy reporting in to outright bullshit.

Did they forget Trump withholding aid to Ukraine and trying to convince the public it was Ukraine that interfered with the election and not Russia and openly blackmail them to open an investigation into Biden.

The exact actions that led to his first impeachment...

Ffs
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The "While most Americans stand behind Ukraine’s struggle to protect its democracy" certainly doesn't cover "most in Fox"



 
Pintu said:
The "While most Americans stand behind Ukraine’s struggle to protect its democracy" certainly doesn't cover "most in Fox"



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It's quite amazing how Mate and Greenwald just stick with the Kremlin script without questioning. Mate is an Assadist scumbag. Even professional contrarian Matt Taibbi issued a mea culpa after months of saying Russia wouldn't invade and it was just the West fear mongering.
 
Raoul said:
Great interview and pretty chilling.

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Agree, this is incredibly chilling.
Especially, at around minute 24 as she explains the Helsinki meeting with Trump and Putin.
(not going to explain because this isn't the thread for that conversation, just sayin')

This conclusion is particularly terrifying. The Russian oligarchs need to end this Putin monster before the worst outcome imaginable ends us all
 
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marktan said:
A month or two is nothing either, the Russians lost 20 million in WW2 in battles that lasted through cold snowy winters.. The problem is when you control the media, the politicians and pretty much the whole of society, you can control whatever narrative you want. If Russia loses a 100,000 soliders? Another 100,000 will simply be told to defend the motherland against the Ukranian nazi invaders in their place.
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In a war of attrition against an invader where they had the advantage of using the terrain against the enemy, the motivation of fighting for the survival of their nation and way of life, and where the enemy's forces gradually atrophied as they lost soldiers, machinery, and morale ...
 
DOTA said:
Can't say I'm terribly familiar with the Russian Instagram influencer sphere and maybe she does just really likes sharing pics of food but I do wonder if she's actually crying because she previously had a steady income and she now likely has lost that.
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Exactly this I'd imagine.

I'd be pretty upset if I got told my income would stop due to something I have no control over or probably know little about.
Tweets like these do not need to be shared on here in my opinion, most Russians are innocent victims of Putin's war, no need to gloat over their hardships.
Chelsea fans however...
 
unchanged_lineup said:
It's might be alarming real to alarm you.
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Exactly that.

It's brilliant propaganda.

My point was this has been mocked up quickly but shows how easy it is to come up with realistic images and videos.
 
stefan92 said:
According to this (and the sources cited) it was well monitored during it's flight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zagreb_2022_Tu-141_Crash

And the reason could simply be that it run out of fuel (which would be no surprise if the theory is right that it was intented to fly to Yarun, Ukraine, not Jarun, Croatia). If it started somewhere near the Ukraine/Russian border it would fit very well the known operating range to drop down in that area.
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I understand the reason why it crashed, but there is absolutely no explanation why it hasn't been intercepted or reported by Hungarians to Croatia. It was monitored by a radar but no one was alarmed, and the fact that only after aftermath of the crash they "guessed" what it is is ridiculous.
 
Rajma said:


Israel ech? We should really be treating them the same as Russia. Total isolation.
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Doesn't Roman Ambramovich have dual Israeli/Russian citizenship, or did i make that up?

Israel are equally as culpable as Russia, agree with you.
 
Pintu said:
If NATO wants an excuse to enter the WAR, they got one. Ask Croatia to declare this an act of war.
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NATO don't want to get involved. Nobody else does. It's being handled well as it is, no need to escalate things further. It's heartbreaking to see what's going on, but everyone is doing everything they can without causing things to escalate to somewhere that cant be returned from.

Sanctions, aid, weapons, training, information, tactical support, equipment, supplies... That's all working. Calmer heads are prevailing. Let's hope that continues.
 
Something not on the news yet. A Ukrainian girl that I know has said that Russia are allegedly paying separatists €20 per building to paint these targets on buildings. They are doing this whilst walking through the humanitarian corridors.

one was caught, handed over to police. They are recovering any targets they find

 
Theres a stunning video report of Kharkiv from BBC's Quentin Sommerville on Twitter. He patrols the city with the Ukrainian army.

The video is 6 minutes long and also shows some dead bodies, so won't post it here
 
Don't believe the narrative that Putin enjoys uncritical levels of support amongst the nationalist old guard.

The chairman of the All-Russian Officers’ Assembly, retired General-Colonel Leonid Ivashov, published an appeal on his organization’s website on Jan. 31 to “the President and Citizens of the Russian Federation.” The sharply worded missive, issued on behalf of the organization, ends with the words: “We, Russia’s officers, demand that the President of the Russian Federation reject the criminal policy of provoking a war in which Russia would be alone against the united forces of the West… and retire.”

Surprised more attention wasnt paid to this at the time.
https://www.justsecurity.org/80149/...-over-ukraine-renew-call-for-his-resignation/

It would also suggest to me that his personal security is not inviolable either.
 
You’d think now would be the perfect time for the Belorussian military to be brave and oust Lukashenko if he tries to draw them into a war they want no part of.

It would have extremely popular support amongst the population and it’s maybe the only chance they would get where Russia are too busy to prevent it.
 


I got intrigued by this and googled it to learn that the UK still has some lawmakers that makes it to the parliament without anyone casting a vote for them. (Heredity and appointment it seems). And we were wondering how dirty Russian money could flow so freely..
 
hellhunter said:
Theres a stunning video report of Kharkiv from BBC's Quentin Sommerville on Twitter. He patrols the city with the Ukrainian army.

The video is 6 minutes long and also shows some dead bodies, so won't post it here
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It was on the 10PM news on Thursday, that was real front line war shit, surprised they showed it really.
 
Champ said:
Explains a lot then, thanks!
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I doubt that it explains much — he has Israeli citizenship because, well, he’s Jewish and has a right of repatriation.

Israeli unsurprisingly sketchy foreign politics hardly have anything to do with it.
 
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