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Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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We agree on Iraq with W, I was asking about the 1991 invasion.
You said a giant, and most people would consider France a large economy with the US and China being giants. Russia has an economy half the size of France's and smaller than Italy's. That's not giant by any measure.
Apologies. I actually read that as one of Fredo's posts and wondered why he was refuting something they themselves had said a few seconds earlier!
No. Its only special military operations.
Senior decided to intervene during the arab war between Iraq and Kuwait/KSA (don't know what was in it for him except to keep hold of the petrol in Saudi and Kuwait) as this was the bread and butter for the USA in the arab world back then (still to this day)
For NATO, defensive alliance that went all the way to Lybia to attack Gaddhafi and kill him? that shelled Yugoslavia before? Doesn't seem defensive to me, if anything it was driven by specific agendas that found it easy to attack when they see fit until now when they are facing a madman with 6500 nuclear warheads at his disposal..
Russia wasn't even a top 10 economy in the world before any of this and will be lucky to be top 30 in a few months. They are light years from being considered anything resembling an economic power.
its weird cuz they started their own thread to have that discussion without any complaints and yet have filtered themselves back in here
You do realize that it wasn’t Senior unilaterally going into Iraq, right? What else were we doing in the ME to such a degree in the 80s, the ‘bread & butter?’
This really isn’t the right thread to continue, let’s migrate to the Whataboutery thread.
I guess they weren't getting enough attention in there.
Oh, a cease fire, I'm sure nobody tried that, what a great idea!
Nato engaging russian military means all gloves are off, it means a swift defeat for Russia on the ground and a super high risk that Putin's only options are nuclear.
Seems a couple of posters here are really craving atomic bombing, that's pretty odd.
Ensuring the petrol you discovered in the KSA remains fully within your control maybe? Or the fact that April Glaspie, your US ambassador back then informed Saddam that the USA has no opinion of what happens between Iraq/Kuwait? Only to back on that and go all war on Saddam?
Russian tank just going solo....totally professional army folks.
Not a problem!
But you believe arming the ukrainian people to keep fighting will help solve the issue? This is adding fuel to the fire in my opinion and in the end it's the people who will pay the bill. Sanctions can cripple Russia yes, but it still doesn't prevent them from doing the worst and which is using nuclear...
Less than half the size of California's economy and smaller than New York or Texas.
I'm pretty sure german people are happy to know that they're still considered jew hating murderers.
Ah feck
Declining population too. They are expected to drop down the list in the next ten years in terms of GDP and that was before this war.
Got a bit of a live one here.
Please use the Geopolitics thread for your Iraq discussion.
Are they? By who, you?
Why is it always @Raoul who attracts the weirdest ire 
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?He's definitely stepped up and is playing the role of motivational war leader perfectly.
Why is it always @Raoul who attracts the weirdest ire
Some of these posters have me longing for the early good old days of this thread when Florida Man said nothing will happen in Ukraine.
A super army that should be respected!!
Sure has been a long three-ish weeks.
By some in this thread who said Putin's attack on Ukraine isn't that bad because 70 years ago, the USA dropped 2 bombs on Japan.
Anyway, i won't engage in this discussion any more, the poster doesn't make sense.
Proceeds to crash plane into Kremlin, roll credits.
Reason enough for me to not identify as GermanAh feck
What the feck is wrong with you? You seem to believe that a free and democratic nation should just roll over and surrender to tyranny and dictatorship. No, they will - and should - fight back. And other free and democratic nations should do everything they can, short of risking a nuclear WWIII, to help them in that fight.
Otherwise it won't end with Ukraine. Moldova would be next.
...because Ukraine is part of nato of course.
Ukranians will fight, but in the end they will fail. It may take weeks, months, even years, but Putin won't stop until he has Ukraine. Everything we've seen in the past from him shows that he hate showing weakness, he hates not getting the outcome he wants and he will do whatever it takes to get there.
The only way to stop that is if the west provides enough to counter Russia's superior military capability, particularly in the skies, but it doesn't look like they'll even provide those jets Poland wanted to send. So in the end Ukraine will fight nobly, Ukraine will fight bloodily, and Ukraine will fall. They will lose a lot for nothing.
At that point you would wonder if it's simply better to just give up and accept your fate instead of all the bloodshed. If the west doesn't want to get involved due to the risk of nuclear warfare then there is no outcome other than Ukraine falling. And other non-Nato European countries will likely be next if Putin lives long enough, Maldova is almost certainly guaranteed, and Finland and Sweden are very feasible targets as Nato wouldn't get involved. The only saving grace is that Putin is already quite old. Had he been 10 years younger you'd almost certainly be looking at further invasions, and the question you'd have to ask is at what point do you intervene to stop the madness. Instead it looks as though Ukraine won't be the Czechoslovakia of WW2, but rather just a sacrificial lamb.
The only way to stop that is if the west provides enough to counter Russia's superior military capability, particularly in the skies, but it doesn't look like they'll even provide those jets Poland wanted to send. So in the end Ukraine will fight nobly, Ukraine will fight bloodily, and Ukraine will fall. They will lose a lot for nothing.
At that point you would wonder if it's simply better to just give up and accept your fate instead of all the bloodshed. If the west doesn't want to get involved due to the risk of nuclear warfare then there is no outcome other than Ukraine falling. And other non-Nato European countries will likely be next if Putin lives long enough, Maldova is almost certainly guaranteed, and Finland and Sweden are very feasible targets as Nato wouldn't get involved. The only saving grace is that Putin is already quite old. Had he been 10 years younger you'd almost certainly be looking at further invasions, and the question you'd have to ask is at what point do you intervene to stop the madness. Instead it looks as though Ukraine won't be the Czechoslovakia of WW2, but rather just a sacrificial lamb.
The Russian economy will collapse soon, which will make it hard for Putin to continue in Ukraine.