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There are zero odds he can win vs NATO. He can only assure mutual destruction and we don't know if he is crazy enough to get there.
The other possibility is that he is now acting as a failed gambler. He doubles his bet because he still believes the West is morally weak and they will not go to war no matter what.
I don't really understand this by the Russians, unless they don't have the supplies to remain or are intending to come back. Lurking off the coast of Odessa means the Ukrainians have to worry about an amphibious assault in addition to the attack from (or likely around) Mykolaiv. The Ukrainians could move some of the forces they've reserved in Odessa to send to Mykolaiv or the salient north of it to try to prevent it being bypassed.
According to two Meduza journalists, Putin's now purging the FSB division responsible for foreign intelligence with two high-ranking officials under arrest.
Thats a bit unexpected development isnt it? Whats next Putin blaming the FSB and a good ole purge?
The timing of your response could not have been better.
Prolonging the war only helps NATO.
Well, at least they are getting to the truth, one way or another.
I don't understand the Russian tactics. Driving down a road, with no infantry screen either side, is just asking to to be ambushed and hit by anti-armour weapons.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/putin-planning-chernobyl-attack-ukraine/
Erm, what in the name of holy feck is this?!?!?!
This was something I discussed with friends. Biden and everyone is so adamant that they won't interfere while the war is 'limited' to Ukraine - what happens if they do something at Chernobyl or another plant? What happens is (worst case hypothetical scenario) he was to drop a nuke in Ukraine? Surely they couldn't still sit by and let it continue?
Erm, what in the name of holy feck is this?!?!?!
This was something I discussed with friends. Biden and everyone is so adamant that they won't interfere while the war is 'limited' to Ukraine - what happens if they do something at Chernobyl or another plant? What happens is (worst case hypothetical scenario) he was to drop a nuke in Ukraine? Surely they couldn't still sit by and let it continue?
Nobody is "hiding" behind article 5. As Biden said, direct NATO involvement is WW3. There is a deliberate effort being made on our side to avoid escalation or the appearance of escalation, partly because of the whole WW3 thing, and partly because Putin likes escalation games and we just don't want to give him what he wants.
They don't really have any tactics other than bombing the hell out of cities.
Those russian pilots flying 30 years old rust buckets must be pissed they aren't flying SU57s
This is not a drone, it's actually as almost as big as a plane. Weights 6000 kilograms!
And it travelled all the way throogh Hungary for around 40 minutes, to Croatia, and no one even noticed it until students from nearby buildings reported it to the police. NATO, eh?
The fact that this is not even a big news is even more disturbing.
What would you want to happen and would you be prepared to die for that in a potential nuclear exchange? It's not an abstract question either.
The fact that they know exactly the route it took and how long it spent in which airspace shows that it was noticed. Probably it was identified as a reconaissance craft and therefore no action was taken.This is not a drone, it's actually as almost as big as a plane. Weights 6000 kilograms!
And it travelled all the way throogh Hungary for around 40 minutes, to Croatia, and no one even noticed it until students from nearby buildings reported it to the police. NATO, eh?
The fact that this is not even a big news is even more disturbing.
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It wasn't surprising that the most corrupt bank in the Western World was going to try to stick around in Russia to keep laundering money for their Russian clients so I'm shocked at the reversal.
DB probably can't take on any additional AML penalties.
No, all of those are just guesses, including the trajectory and what it actually is. Croatian president was furious, they are just guessing that based on the producer of the thing
Even if you are correct(which you are not), you do realise it crashed into a Croatian capital without any reason, few tens of meteres left or right and it could have hit a residential building or something like that and innocent people could have been hurt?
3 lessons given in this article:
- Logistics are not optional
- "Legacy" military tech still useful
- Morale still matters
I get your argument and I’ll accept I misjudged the use of the term hiding.
My side of seeing things though is that WW3 has already begun. Barring a domestic toppling of Putin I just can’t see any way of this being resolved without (a) Ukraine being absolutely decimated and/or (b) NATO forces being drawn into it and escalating into a full World War.
I believe it’s an inevitability (I hope to Christ I’m proven wrong) but part of me, as harsh as this might be, wants to move on with it and stop delaying the inevitable at the cost of more civilians lives.
According to this (and the sources cited) it was well monitored during it's flight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zagreb_2022_Tu-141_Crash
And the reason could simply be that it run out of fuel (which would be no surprise if the theory is right that it was intented to fly to Yarun, Ukraine, not Jarun, Croatia). If it started somewhere near the Ukraine/Russian border it would fit very well the known operating range to drop down in that area.
I don’t know the answer, but surely we, as an international community, could never sit back and watch a country deploy either a nuclear terror attack or deploy a nuclear weapon in another sovereign country?
This is not a drone, it's actually as almost as big as a plane. Weights 6000 kilograms!
And it travelled all the way throogh Hungary for around 40 minutes, to Croatia, and no one even noticed it until students from nearby buildings reported it to the police. NATO, eh?
The fact that this is not even a big news is even more disturbing.
They probably lost radio contact. Drones probably have been programmed to fly on their own for a while if they lose contact with their human controller, so the drone kept flying in the same direction it happened to be at the moment its communication electronics failed.
This is not big mystery, I don't know why people keep repeating the "news" about this.
Given how badly trained and informed they are they probably don't know Ukraine has weapons that can penetrate their tanks. They're expecting old RPG7s.
That would be an incredibly stupid move. Even if we consider that a dangerous leek could occur (apparently most experts aren't too concerned), if the wind was to blow in the wrong direction it would go straight over Russia. Tchernobyl is almost as close to Moscow than it is to Warsaw.
An old RPG-7 can easily penetrate the side of a T-72. It might have trouble at the front, but an ambush like that above can effectively use RPG-7
Nah, some of them have the makeshift bird cages welded to their turrets to try to block Javelins, which attack from above. Doesn't seem super effective.
Because World War III would not cost any more civilians lives?
I was thinking about this last night. The Russians have junk night vision gear so the US/NATO should be sending tons of the night vision goggles we have.
A domestic toppling of Putin is growing more likely by the day. The country can't survive for long with a completely decimated economy, empty shelves, limited to no access to the outside world, etc.
I'm not saying it wouldn't, but the delaying of (what I believe to be) an inevitable World War only pushes the casualties even higher.
You don't make sense, get a grip man.
Well I’m glad your desire for a hastened full blooded global nuclear conflict is for altruistic reasons
But what you or I believe is a certainty is just gut feeling or guess work, whereas a new World War would be exactly that. The number of deaths in Ukraine wouldn't compare to the millions lost in another world war.
I get it, though, it's the feeling that we're not doing something that's gut wrenching. But we are. People look at sanctions and think they're a little soft but it's bringing Russia's economy to the brink of collapse. It doesn't bring the dead back to life, but nothing will.
WW3 is a nuclear war, it's not inevitable (and I say this as someone who lived thru the Cold War) and the casualties there could be in the high hundreds of millions.
My argument is that if World War causes X number of civilian deaths, and the delaying of World War which (again, only personal opinion) is inevitable as I don’t see any diplomatic solution to stop this from escalating, causes Y number of deaths.
I’d rather only lose X number of civilians rather than X + Y.
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