Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

You are very honestly one of the dumbest people to have said anything in this thread, and there have been a lot of dumb people here. The whole point of NATO is defending a member nation against an attack, Russia wouldn't dare attack Norway or anyone else in NATO, and to think so means you are either a Russian troll or so naive that I could sell you the Golden Gate bridge.
How much? Might be interested. PM me.
 
Incredibly, seeing that photo from Irpin, of the dead family that made the New York Times front cover, was how the husband found out that his wife and two kids had been killed. He recognised their luggage when he saw it posted on Twitter. The paper has now interviewed him.

 
Weird. Even his Wiki states that his maternal grandmother was a Ukrainian-born German.
Don't believe everything that someone writes in a wiki entry!
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It's not out of the question that Putin engineers a conflict with a NATO country. But yes...he isn't just marching across Europe. He can barely even manage to tackle Ukraine at this point.

I think it is.

A conflict with a NATO country can only go two possible ways in my book. One, a humiliating defeat for the Russian army or two; escalation to nuclear weapons usage and MAD. NATO is not going to just back down and risk disintegration, the Americans alone won't sit back and watch what they've been building since the 50s go to ashes, just to appease madman Putin. Especially when appeasement is known not to work any way.

So they will fight and defend every inch of NATO territory like they've repeatedly said they'll do. They don't need to escalate to nuclear, that will be something that Putin will have to contemplate when he's losing face as his army is getting pummelled. Nuclear use from the West would be purely retaliatory.

There is nothing down that road for Putin and his allies bar destruction. The only question left is how many they take with them. So I think it's out of the question they will go that way.
 
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If accurate, these numbers simply aren’t sustainable…



The director of intelligence said somewhere between 2k to 4k just yesterday at a public hearing. They also shared they didn't have any confidence in the numbers as it wasn't possible to get that view.

There's a possibility new intelligence has come in since then but seems unlikely, especially with such a specific range.
 
I think it is.

A conflict with a NATO country can only go two possible ways in my book. One, a humiliating defeat for the Russian army or two; escalation to nuclear weapons usage and MAD. NATO is not going to just back down and risk disintegration, the Americans alone won't sit back and watch what they've been building since the 50s go to ashes, just to appease madman Putin. Especially when appeasement is known not to work any way.

So they will fight and defend every inch of NATO territory like they've repeatedly said they'll do. They don't need to escalate to nuclear, that will be something that Putin will have to contemplate when he's losing face as his army is getting pummelled. Nuclear use from the West will be purely retaliatory.

There is nothing down that road for Putin and his allies bar destruction. The only question is how many they take with them. So I think it's out of the question they will go that way.

I wouldn’t say it’s out the question because war is very unpredictable, things can happen which trigger cycles that cannot be reversed.

But I would agree in that it would be incredibly unlikely at this stage that Putin would dare flirt with prodding a defence force much much much much great than his own force, being NATO.

Those giving it the “NATO wouldn’t react” are talking utter crap.

Putin has been warned and it will be the end of the line for him if he ignores those warnings, pure and simple hence why “incredibly unlikely”…..depends how mad he is.
 
I think it is.

A conflict with a NATO country can only go two possible ways in my book. One, a humiliating defeat for the Russian army or two; escalation to nuclear weapons usage and MAD. NATO is not going to just back down and risk disintegration, the Americans alone won't sit back and watch what they've been building since the 50s go to ashes, just to appease madman Putin. Especially when appeasement is known not to work any way.

So they will fight and defend every inch of NATO territory like they've repeatedly said they'll do. They don't need to escalate to nuclear, that will be something that Putin will have to contemplate when he's losing face as his army is getting pummelled. Nuclear use from the West would be purely retaliatory.

There is nothing down that road for Putin and his allies bar destruction. The only question left is how many they take with them. So I think it's out of the question they will go that way.

I'm not certain if there was engagement between Russia and a NATO country that it would 100% escalate. Obviously it's as possibility though. The other question (touched on in that great interview posted before) is what is NATO's redline. So far it's resisted engagement...but what will opinion be if Putin for instance drops a tactical Nuke on Ukraine, or even just starts using non conventional weapons?
 
And he's only had a fortnight to move his cash around. Thanks Boris.
We’re are the first in the world to sanction him I think. He has many of the most litigious and powerful lawyers in the world working for him, attempting to silence the media and put a stranglehold on politicians. He also has Portugese citizenship.
 
I'm not certain if there was engagement between Russia and a NATO country that it would 100% escalate. Obviously it's as possibility though. The other question (touched on in that great interview posted before) is what is NATO's redline. So far it's resisted engagement...but what will opinion be if Putin for instance drops a tactical Nuke on Ukraine, or even just starts using non conventional weapons?

Where would that engagement happen and how? NATO will defend territory. If Poland (purely for example) sent army to Ukraine then its army there would be outside of NATO protection. If they did without NATO approval they might also open themselves for Russian retaliation without protection from NATO. Because you cannot directly enter a conflict and then request protection when that conflict comes to you. If Russia just started bombing bases in Poland or invaded though, it would be 100% defended.

I don't think Russia dropping tactical nukes on Ukraine will trigger a war either, but will probably see highest possible sanctions and complete isolation of Russia. Expelling diplomats, seizing all Russian assets, embargo on anything Russian, complete halt of all trade and financial transactions (including Oil & Gas) etc.
 
Thought this was encouraging, showing the west realizes Putin isn't going to come back to the former status quo. Nice to see someone this smart is working in Washington.



I think it was good, too. Keeping the emotions out of it, extensive answers and no theatrics, no sensationalism, just calm analysis.
 
What happened with that long column outside Kiev? Are they still there? Where do the soldiers sleep at night? In the trucks?
 
What are we looking at here? Tank after tank being taken out?

No. Its misleading. Twitter comments say the audio footage is from somewhere else edited together with this clip.

The video footage shows a big armoured convoy which stops at the village, there is a skirmish, but in the last shot you actually see pretty much every vehicle move slightly when the convoy starts up again, which means the majority are functional and can at least move. The final shot shows possibly 2/3 taken out.

I think what it demonstrates is how they clump up when engaged. Which would be a nice juicy target if Ukraine could use artillery/missiles. I would imagine the worst thing a tank could do is clump up together as it means you'd struggle to shoot back when engaged but also you'd have very few options for movement and could easily get boxed in.
 
Russia wants Ukraine to surrender, no cease-fire:




Russia will not agree to humanitarian corridors from Mariupol (despite state media claiming otherwise for days and days):

 
I don't get why civilians who have nothing to do with the war have their personal assets impacted.

It it done in the hope that the Russian people will put pressure on Putin and this will hopefully result in regime change. But also in respect to the billionaires getting sanctioned - they have been bankrolling Putin and his cronies for years and are all responsible for him being there in the first place.
 
Where would that engagement happen and how? NATO will defend territory. If Poland (purely for example) sent army to Ukraine then its army there would be outside of NATO protection. If they did without NATO approval they might also open themselves for Russian retaliation without protection from NATO. Because you cannot directly enter a conflict and then request protection when that conflict comes to you. If Russia just started bombing bases in Poland or invaded though, it would be 100% defended.

I don't think Russia dropping tactical nukes on Ukraine will trigger a war either, but will probably see highest possible sanctions and complete isolation of Russia. Expelling diplomats, seizing all Russian assets, embargo on anything Russian, complete halt of all trade and financial transactions (including Oil & Gas) etc.

I agree, I'm just speculating on the level of escalation if Putin were to touch a NATO country. Clearly it would be defended 100%, I'm just (maybe naively) optimistic that it wouldn't suddenly trigger a full scale MAD situation.

I genuinely think there's a fairly good chance of engagement between NATO and Russia at some point unless Putin fecks off.
 
I agree, I'm just speculating on the level of escalation if Putin were to touch a NATO country. Clearly it would be defended 100%, I'm just (maybe naively) optimistic that it wouldn't suddenly trigger a full scale MAD situation.

I genuinely think there's a fairly good chance of engagement between NATO and Russia at some point unless Putin fecks off.

I hope you are right but unfortunately I fear you are wrong.
 
I don't get why civilians who have nothing to do with the war have their personal assets impacted.
Abramovich's business are a bit more linked to propping up Putin, destabilising Ukraine, and supplying the war effort than that.