Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

I saw someone post this on Twitter, its from Radio 4's Today program where they interview a Russian MP and Putin loyalist from Moscow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00154cl from 1hr50mins in. Its staggering what they believe.

I listened and was staggered to hear what she was saying. I couldn’t tell if she was just putting on a front or genuinely believes what she is saying.
 
How long before they come for the Caf? :nervous:

I genuinely believe that there are some people like that here already. Any current event discussion always throws up a couple people, usually newbies, who have views that are so out there that they have to be deliberately doing it.
 
If accurate, these numbers simply aren’t sustainable…



So that's an estimated minimum of 20,000 killed or wounded - at an average of 10,000 per week. In another month, at the same rate, the total would rise to 60,000, or nearly one-third of the total invading force since the invasion started.

And that's not taking into account the fact that trying to take cities is going to be even more costly from here on in.
 
Looks like the protests are now being quashed in occupied cities:




They have a lot of force out now in Kherson, but I don't think they can maintain that level of control for too long. Eventually someone will start lobbing molotovs at these clowns once some of the riot troops have moved on.
 
So that's an estimated minimum of 20,000 killed or wounded - at an average of 10,000 per week. In another month, at the same rate, the total would rise to 60,000, or nearly one-third of the total invading force since the invasion started.

And that's not taking into account the fact that trying to take cities is going to be even more costly from here on in.

They are never linear. The tactics on the ground will change.
 
The devastating effect of sanctions - the BBC reports:

"In a sign of Russia's growing isolation, domestic automaker Lada is halting production on its factory floors. The company says crippling Western sanctions mean it can no longer gather the parts and supplies it needs.

Founded in Soviet Russia in 1973, the iconic brand is well-known in the region for its affordability.

During his second stint as prime minister, Vladimir Putin was often photographed driving Lada models and calling on all Russians to buy one. "You won't regret it," he said in 2010.

The company is owned by French carmaker Renault but its vehicles are assembled by local automobile manufacturer AvtoVAZ. Lada accounted for 21% of auto sales in Russia last year."
 
Thought this was encouraging, showing the west realizes Putin isn't going to come back to the former status quo. Nice to see someone this smart is working in Washington.

 
Thought this was encouraging, showing the west realizes Putin isn't going to come back to the former status quo. Nice to see someone this smart is working in Washington.



I'm not worried about Washington, I'm worried about Berlin (and Paris to a lesser extent).
 
I read on BBC Ukrainians have fled to Russia to escape the war. Is that really correct? Huge number.

For some Ukrainians it is the obvious choice. It's not necessarily a declaration of support for Putin, but lots of people in Ukraine have familial ties in Russia, not to mention a good percentage of them speak Russian as a second language. There are also certain cultural aspects that the two countries share, so in spite of the war, it's definitely the best option for some.
 
Thought this was encouraging, showing the west realizes Putin isn't going to come back to the former status quo. Nice to see someone this smart is working in Washington.


This was a fascinating watch indeed.

Can Putin cross a line in Ukraine that would lead to military intervention by NATO? No. Not even if he nukes the country. NATO will not be pulled into direct conflict. As hard as it is to accept, Ukraine is not worth a World War. Sad. Terrible. Wise.
 
They have a lot of force out now in Kherson, but I don't think they can maintain that level of control for too long. Eventually someone will start lobbing molotovs at these clowns once some of the riot troops have moved on.
Certain towns have not been armed for an insurgency I don’t think. I can’t remember seeing weapons being handed out in Kherson or large defences being put in place, because Ukraine clearly had no intention of trying to hold this city.
 
I read on BBC Ukrainians have fled to Russia to escape the war. Is that really correct? Huge number.
When you look at the figures it is a relatively small amount compared to those going to the EU or Moldova. It may well be a good chunk of those are foreign people or also Russians who were living in Ukraine.

Another problem is that the forced migration of people in and out of Russian-controlled territories has been in their playbook for hundreds of years.
 
As hard as it is to accept, Ukraine is not worth a World War. Sad. Terrible. Wise.

Equally, Ukraine is not worth it for Russia to be involved in a protracted war that means large number casualties, becoming economically isolated and going broke.

But we’re dealing with an irrational operator in Putin atm.
 
Im seriously not being funny, I’m deadly serious, Russia carries on until
It gets to Germany, Italy, France, Spain, UK.

Putin will push and push, NATO will roll back and back, they will test and test.
You are very honestly one of the dumbest people to have said anything in this thread, and there have been a lot of dumb people here. The whole point of NATO is defending a member nation against an attack, Russia wouldn't dare attack Norway or anyone else in NATO, and to think so means you are either a Russian troll or so naive that I could sell you the Golden Gate bridge.
 
Thought this was encouraging, showing the west realizes Putin isn't going to come back to the former status quo. Nice to see someone this smart is working in Washington.



This is the best information I've seen since the start of this. It's comforting that the west is doing everything it can to avoid conflict with Putin...but it seems inevitable unless Putins inner circle gets rid of him.
 
You are very honestly one of the dumbest people to have said anything in this thread, and there have been a lot of dumb people here. The whole point of NATO is defending a member nation against an attack, Russia wouldn't dare attack Norway or anyone else in NATO, and to think so means you are either a Russian troll or so naive that I could sell you the Golden Gate bridge.

It's not out of the question that Putin engineers a conflict with a NATO country. But yes...he isn't just marching across Europe. He can barely even manage to tackle Ukraine at this point.