Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Almost all cellphones in Russia are running on iOS or Android. Why can't the big tech be forced to do send out push notifications messages to russians with this kind of footage. The kremlin can only prevent this disabling internet all together.
This would be like openly trying to interfere in Russian internal politics and I hope I don't have to explain to you what they leads to.
 
I think we're not allowed post that here.

On what I've seen, this is harrowing. I'm pretty sure CNN reporter was at the same bridge Friday or Saturday.
Gonna start struggling to post links to anything if the Russians decide indiscriminate bombing in civilian areas is the approach. I assumed we were allowed to link to stuff.
 
Gonna start struggling to post links to anything if the Russians decide indiscriminate bombing in civilian areas is the approach. I assumed we were allowed to link to stuff.
Then so be it. Let's not break forum rules. There is plenty to link to that don't have dead bodies.
 
I have seen this idea of Russian equipment being old and dated circulated around, but I don't understand how it's true. A lot of of the stuff you see on Twitter cannot be relied on, especially war reporting. We are on Ukraine's side and want to see Ukraine succeed in defense so there is a lot of bias in these reports. How can Russia not have enough forces/manpower to encircle Kyiv? That doesn't seem logical.

EDIT: to be clear, to me it seems like a way for the rest of the world to say "yeah! we're helping! Ukraine is winning!" without actually helping. There's a reason Zelensky is pleading every day.

From actual military academics and professors re: the encirclement of Kyiv:












As for ancient equipment:



You seem to be under the impression that Russia has a fully modern, well-funded military. They may have a relatively small number of advanced planes, weapons, and vehicles, but they don't have lots of it. They also have to keep some in reserve for unforeseen events (like NATO invading :lol:). The US has 3000ish of M1A1 tanks in various iterations on active duty, but Russia only has about 500 of its most advanced T-90 tank and 550 active T-80 tanks (before losses in Ukraine).

Depending on the people you follow, Twitter can be a great resource for near real-time information on the war. There are groups like Bellingcat who are experts at locating, identifying, and analyzing images and videos from war zones. It has its limitations, but it's far more accurate than generalist military experts on TV.
 
This would be like openly trying to interfere in Russian internal politics and I hope I don't have to explain to you what they leads to.

Well, maybe I'm being dumb, but what would it lead to? The Kremlin could hardly bomb Apple HQ.
 
Then so be it. Let's not break forum rules. There is plenty to link to that don't have dead bodies.
I appreciate the spirit of the rules and would not have posted it, if I expected it would be deleted. It was a few minutes of footage that happened to show a few civilians laying where they died as part of the wider destruction of the area today. It was footage from an accredited news organisation and a Ukrainian public broadcaster.

I appreciate neither wanting overly morbid or gory content here, especially not embedded into the site as you read, but it seems to be a bit heavy handed if you are no longer allowed to link to tweets that contain this sort of video.
 
Some are beginning to reflect on their complicity in creating the monster:

 
All the clubs are doing the same aren’t they? Not sure what else you would want tbh
No. The vast majority of clubs, if not all, have made direct reference to plight of the people of Ukraine. United just trot out vapid slogans.
 
Declaration of war?

Russia has 80% or more of its military bogged down in Ukraine.

Good luck with taking on the vastly superior NATO forces.

Even Putin isn’t that daft, hence the steady stream of bullying threats. I’m at the point where I feel we should just push it a bit more.
 
No. The vast majority of clubs, if not all, have made direct reference to plight of the people of Ukraine. United just trot out vapid slogans.

So every club in the league have been doing what exactly? I’m curious to know.

Have every other club dumped sponsorships and what not too? If I recall United were the first to do this and the first to even reference the war. Everyone else followed afterwards?

Don’t mind the club getting stick when deserved but doesn’t half feel like you’re just moaning for the sake of it. United conducts itself very well as highlighted by the Greenwood incident.
 
Depending on the people you follow, Twitter can be a great resource for near real-time information on the war. There are groups like Bellingcat who are experts at locating, identifying, and analyzing images and videos from war zones. It has its limitations, but it's far more accurate than generalist military experts on TV.

I disagree. This russian conflict is not the only one documented on Twitter. In recent years I've been following the Taliban reassurance to power. You'd have generals and analyst talk about resistance of Panjshir and how the Taliban government is about to topple any day now.
 
So every club in the league have been going what exactly? I’m curious to know.

Have every other club dumped sponsorships and what not too? If I recall United were the first to do this and the first to even reference the war. Everyone else followed afterwards?

Don’t mind the club getting stick when deserved but doesn’t half feel like you’re just moaning for the sake of it. United conducts itself very well as highlighted by the Greenwood incident.
United had no choice but to drop Aeroflot. They can’t even provide a minibus service, let alone do flights, outside of Russia right now. United should never have been in such a sponsorship arrangement in the first place. Them having to drop a sponsor like this, one hiding in plain sight, has been damning. It’s been a disaster for Richard Arnold early on in the job, because it was one of his deals even, set up in his previous role.

Every other club I have seen (and maybe there are other outliers) have shown solidarity with Ukraine, whether that is through banners being flown before kick-off, flags carried out onto the pitch, special t-shirts, the involvement of Ukrainian fan groups, etc. Unless you saw Harry Maguire’s PL-mandated captain’s armband in the colours of Ukraine, you would have not been able to draw a link with United’s message and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The cynic in me says someone is worrying about other sponsors in other markets.

It’s the difference between Black Lives Matter and All Lives Matter. We know all lives matter, we know that war is terrible and serves virtually nobody, but this is supposed to be a show of solidarity to a specific group of people.

Put it this way, the Russian and Chinese censors would have had nothing to hide from the empty gesture United offered today.
 
United had no choice but to drop Aeroflot. They can’t even provide a minibus service, let alone do flights, outside of Russia right now. United should never have been in such a sponsorship arrangement in the first place. Them having to drop a sponsor like this, one hiding in plain sight, has been damning. It’s been a disaster for Richard Arnold early on in the job, because it was one of his deals even, set up in his previous role.

Every other club I have seen (and maybe there are other outliers) have shown solidarity with Ukraine, whether that is through banners being flown before kick-off, flags carried out onto the pitch, special t-shirts, the involvement of Ukrainian fan groups, etc. Unless you saw Harry Maguire’s PL-mandated captain’s armband in the colours of Ukraine, you would have not been able to draw a link with United’s message and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The cynic in me says someone is worrying about other sponsors in other markets.

It’s the difference between Black Lives Matter and All Lives Matter. We know all lives matter, we know that war is terrible and serves virtually nobody, but this is supposed to be a show of solidarity to a specific group of people.

Put it this way, the Russian and Chinese censors would have had nothing to hide from the empty gesture United offered today.
Did you watch the game? A minutes applause before kick off in solidarity of Ukraine. The players standing around the semi circle mixed with each other. Flags/banners/armbands and messages put up on the main screen in Etihad. It was a good united showing for Ukraine.
 
@TMDaines do you feel any less embarrassed to be British yet by the way? Given the massive fund raising efforts?
We’re not particular outliers in this. It’s the same in most of Europe. The funds other countries have generated and – more importantly – the direct interventions individual citizens and organisations have made in those neighbouring countries dwarves our national contribution.

It sums up Britain as a collective that in recent years we continually vote for unprogressive governments that are eroding our social care and welfare systems, whilst making our immigration policy ever more cruel and restrictive, whilst also patting ourselves on the back at our charitable efforts if we are privileged enough to be able to afford that. Nothing is more bizarre than the pride in the growth of food banks in this country.

More importantly, we have so far granted around around 50 visas to Ukrainian residents since this crisis began. We have literally turned people away at our borders to stop them seeking refuge with blood relatives in the UK. Moldova, the poorest country in Europe, has opened its borders to over 200,000 people and is still hosting 96,000 of them. More arrive every minute of every day.




Our contribution to the humanitarian aspects of this crisis can best be described as throwing a few quid at the situation to alleviate the guilt at someone else actually taking care of the problem.

So, yes. I am generally embarrassed to be British right now. Priti Patel and Boris Johnson may be willing to tell Ukrainians they are doing all they can to help them through this. I can’t look my family and friends in the eye and tell them the same.