I sense you’re definitely the glass half empty guy anyway.
The total opposite to me. That’s why I’m irritated.
Fair enough.
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I sense you’re definitely the glass half empty guy anyway.
The total opposite to me. That’s why I’m irritated.
Fair enough.
I'm not sure but it feels like we've been slipped into a violent Power Rangers style reality TV show with malfunctioning robot playing Biden's role. Some Red Dwarf episodes where they stumble back into something that looks like Earth but not quite remind me of our reality.
That whole thread is fecked up. I want to get off this ride...
Russia scraping the barrel... Logistics has gone to shit.
This is embarrassing.You know this doesn't suprise and this is what I mean by people in democracies needing to take responsibility.
Whoever voted for the Conservatives better not come out and say they didn't know who or what these people are.
Today I even heard that Johnson said leaders need to follow their words with actions. I genuinely laughed. The irony is too much.
Kind of crazy that in this fascist war, they even made their own swastika.
‘Z’ gaining some swastika vibes.
If a diplomatic solution is reached, how does Putin justify domestically that he negotiated with Nazi's?
What the hell is this?
Hah, not massively. I try to not swing too much either way with unbridled positivity or overwhelming negativity whether that be with analysing United or watching these events unfold. I do tend to want to scratch beyond the headlines and scorelines though.
The problem with our Government is that they love their PR and big claims, but they can never deliver on the underlying policy. Sometimes deliberately. Priti Patel mentioned 100,000, then 200,000 refugees the other day, and people seem to think they are already in the country. Nobody can get in!
The third party who ran the only visa centre in Ukraine, in Lviv, shut up shop, completely unannounced by the Home Office today. I know because our in-laws are trying to get their visas sorted there. The BBC only caught up with the news in the last few hours. The Home Office and the firms we outsource our visa processing to are a national disgrace at the best of times, but this last week is a new low.
Here is another train with Z marked civilian trucks that have been taken by the Russian army to ease their logistics crisis. The Ukrainians need to keep doing what they are doing. Hit every truck they see with everything they have. Tanks don't matter if they are out of fuel, out of ammo or abandoned by soldiers off in search off a meal...
By all accounts the visa issue is far from great and I share your frustration in that regard. That said I think the way the British people have responded is superb and deserves credit. I also think the UK has been far more proactive and forthcoming in its direct military support (weapons and training for the UA). The rest of Europe has acted very late on this with some countries still twiddling their thumbs.
All things considered being “embarrassed to be British” seems utterly over the top, inflammatory and out of proportion to me. Yes there’s plenty to do and improve but we’ve actually done much more than most and that’s been recognised by Ukrainians and other threatened nations in the region.
I know what you mean but it's hard to feel any glass half full vibes when people are being bombed where they live. I'm with @TMDaines , I don't feel our governments are doing enough, especially the UK with all the benefits of Russian money in London. Our governments are talking a good game is all in my opinion. It's probably not the thread for it though.
Considering TikTok is Chinese owned, I wonder if this is them doing Putin a favour and stopping all the live streams and videos coming out of Ukraine which are compromising their propaganda?
You left out the part where I specified it depends on being selective about whom you follow. Bellingcat and others on Twitter easily picked apart the Russian lies over shooting down MH17, their use of chemical weapons in Syria, and the military build-up for the current invasion.
On the other hand though there’s people dying yet he’s arguing about if United should have been wearing different T-shirts today?
I mention the phenomenal amount of donations made by the public here (I’m sure Ireland too) yet the that’s not a positive either and should be expected?
Just seems plenty of moaning for the sake of moaning with is a shame as can dilute the actual point
Yeah, I find people are always great when needed to give. Everywhere. But I still do think a, lot of the talk and gesturing is empty and hollow. Its all just hard to balance emotionally for some so I do get the frustration.
I do take your point and agree about the United thing but those numbers around refugees we've taken in are pretty appalling aren't they? I really think that our cabinet would fit right in over in Russia a number of them, that is for sure embarrassing to me. I presume you'd be quite happy for us to take in more than 50 Ukrainian refugees?
I think it is 100% fair to be ashamed of our Government's response, and the fact this country set itself up as the Kremlin's laundromat, plus the influence of Kremlin money and disinformation in our politics. In a sense, we helped Putin fund the war through our inaction and we are (as ever) woeful in our response to refugee crises.
Yeah, mate, the Ukrainians should stop being so negative. You tell them.
Do you even realise the kind of crisis Europe is facing? We're talking about millions of displaced people already and it's only just starting.
And the UK government comes out, talks the big game and barely helps any refugees. There's wanting to be positive and then there's wanting a pat on the back for thinking about the Ukrainians for a day or two, donating a few quid and going to a protest in your peaceful country with Ukrainian flags. It's commendable but it won't be nearly enough.
Personally, if I was Ukranian running for my life, hungry, tired, cold in the middle of a snowy winter, I would hardly give a toss if someone sang a song for me on the other side of the world. Maybe that's just me or maybe I'm just being realistic.
I don’t disagree at all. Far from it. Happy to acknowledge where we are falling short and apply pressure to force improvements.
That said I’m also happy that we’ve led the way in sending weapons and soldiers to help train the UA months ago (and continue to do so) and as much as I dislike Boris I do think he’s spoke quite well on the matter. Both aspects head and shoulders above the limp, late efforts from the EU.
When you add to that the £55m raised by the British public in 24 hours (now £85m in a little over 48 hours) I’m far from being “embarrassed to be British”.
Plenty of work to be done yes but let’s not paint it as a total shit show when there’s far more other countries doing much, much less
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He said embarrassed to be British - quite different
Genuinely can't see a way for putin to get out of this way politically. No political avenues open to him, without him losing face, and that's not in his make up.
I think militarily he will get bogged down in Ukraine, and at home the truth will seep out and undermine him.
Not sure where that will lead, hopefully civil unrest and regime change, but that might be wishful thinking
Depressing. Do the military experts on Twitter think that this is likely to succeed?
Firstly I’m not your mate.
With regards to your post, I’ve not told any Ukrainians to stop being negative. Have no idea what you’re referring to with this.
Also no idea what the song is about or what the other things are you’re rambling about. I do think it’s brilliant that millions is being raised for people in need though and if you don’t then fair enough.
I’ve explained where I stand on the issues with refugees so again you are making little sense.
The feeling from most is that supply chain issues are hindering the assault. Whether Russia can get enough material to the column will be key.
Bearing in mind it seems he's lost 10,000+ troops already and he started with roughly 200,000, how long do you think he can get bogged down there for though without a victory or retreat? I guess they'll figure out the logistics stuff eventually but they might have lost many tens of thousands of men by then and be facing a fairly widespread, reasonably well funded and supplied insurgency.
Honestly, wouldn't surprise me if this is a Ukraine trap that Russia falls into. They know its coming and will be well prepared for it imo.
The UK government has been complicit in fostering dirty money by Putin's regime for years and years and now they're dragging their feet in applying sanctions on the criminals they themselves welcomed (and are very well aware of) while barely ensuring that some of the victims of his genocide are welcomed in the UK?
That clear enough to you or shall we talk about more positive vibes?